[Elias]

Cash IS a magic word! In my experience, I have found that cash is a very good bargaining tool. You definitely have a point about incentives from banks that dealerships might get from a financing purchase, but overall, cash has been good at saving me some serious…cash.

[Elias]

And that’s fine. Everyone can be an ass at times, but it’s a bit offensive when I’m called out as being an ass when I did nothing wrong. If we were going to discuss how often dealerships lie to consumers as opposed to how often I lie to dealerships, you might notice a shockingly obvious trend. But I gave the salesmen a concrete impression that I am not buying a bike at that store at that second, but in fact that I was going to different dealerships and comparing best-rate quotes. He knew I wasn’t buying anything as soon as I finished my first two sentences, so why would he be offended? He shouldn’t. Which is why he wasn’t. No harm, no foul. I don’t mind name-calling on forums, but why people get so offended about an event in which nobody was originally upset is beyond me, but to each his own…

[Elias]

Before a nasty flame war ignites, I would like to point out that I do not disrespect salemen, I treat them like real, living human beings which is a concept that they are actually not used to. A lot of people might disagree with what I did, going in and pretending I was ready to buy, and that’s fine, you don’t have to like it. I was simply simulating what the experience will be like in a few months when I actually have the cash in hand. Because of a poor reputation and bad customer service that Kelly’s has become known for here, I was only planning on buying from them if they offered a good price to me. And that’s where I lose a lot of people. They get mad at me trying to get a better price than MSRP, or trying to ‘haggle’ with salesmen at official dealerships and megastores. But, more commonly, people understand that going to buy a vehicle is doing a favor for the dealership. People often get the feeling that they owe the dealership something when they go in to purchase, but you don’t. Anyone can get a good deal by understanding this, and there have been some great threads on BBM about how to do it correctly. The people that get mad at me are the people that accept the MSRP price, go in and buy the thing. Please realize that me getting a good deal does not piss the salesmen off, half the time they let me know how impressed they are. I do not disrespect them or talk down to them, but simply bargain with them. This is part of what they are paid to do. So, please do not assume I am some prick lowballing salesmen to the point that they are rolling their eyes at me. You can put whatever tone you like onto the dialogue I wrote above, but that does not make it so. It is always an intelligent and mature conversation that involves pleasing both parties involved. Sorry if I offended anyone, but honestly it doesn’t matter. The salesman at Kelly’s isn’t upset, I’m not upset, so let’s move on.

[Elias]

Yes I agree with you and Eon too. That was kindof the point of this thread, to point out this awkward self-promoting crap that they gave me when I walk in just trying to get a number. And that sucks that nobody helped you, but I honestly have never had that experience. I have been to large car lots where I park as far from the main building as I can to browse, and they come running out like it’s dinner time lol. Don’t have anything on salesmen/women, but here in Phoenix, dealerships have made a pretty bad name for themselves in the way they rip people off with no mercy at all (with some exceptions). The reason I went to this dealership in specific is because I don’t know anyone who has had a good experience there. My friend bought a bike there and they lied to him about the availability of aftermarket parts and ripped him off. Granted, some of that was his fault for being an unknowledgeable consumer. But I went into Kelly’s knowing I would never buy a bike from them unless the price was good, and they didn’t give me a price, so whatever, nobody lost anything.

[Elias]

Alright Clay. I’ll give you I was obvious, IDC if the dealer knows I’m trying to get a deal, they should probably assume it as I am an intelligent consumer. But coming out and calling me an asshole for the way I conduct my business is really outlandish. Look, I bargain EVERY time I’m making a big purchase. I’ve saved thousands doing exactly what I still do today, and at the end of every sale, the salesman is always happy with our exchange. Blind assumptions about how I treat people will just start unnecessary flame wars.

[Elias]

Looking forward to the update, glad to have you back!

[Elias]

Yes we’ve kept the hive going in your absence Glad to hear you’re alright!

PS- Your YT vids are hilarious

[Elias]

Hahaha, somehow I knew SBTG would snuggle up in this thread. Eternal is right though, they have good stuff and good video reviews. But i watch the videos more for viewing the product, seeing how it fits, and what it looks like. Take anything the roid-head says with a grain of salt because he never gives products bad reviews. “HI!!! THIS IS BRIAN VANCE WITH SPORTBIKETRACKGEAR SPORTBIKETRACKGEAR.COM!!!!!!!” …what a loon

[Elias]

built into the assembly, an array of LED’s

[Elias]

They look like some heavy Jap bike for sure, but I don’t see Goldwing in it. Nevertheless, those guys are incredible. I want this in the curriculum when I take the expert riders course!

[Elias]

Yeah I did a quick online quote with Progressive, they quoted me over $2k a year. I got it down to $198/month with crappy coverage!! But I take it with a grain of salt because those online quoting systems are so bogus sometimes. I’m going to go in to see my current insurance agent F2F (StateFarm) first, and then go from there. I know I’m going to have to find the ‘sweet spot,’ what a pain.

[Elias]

No helmet laws here in AZ. IMHO, it’s definitely the rider’s choice. I think it should be mandatory for pillion’s though, because it’s not their decision how the rider drives the bike. I’ll always ATGATT, whether the law cares or not. I’m not doing it to conform, I’m trying to save my ass in a wreck.

[Elias]

Haha, that would definitely weed out the people who are too afraid of the chance of pain to be riding a bike in the first place! For suuuurrreeeee

[Elias]

Is your bike shutting off when you are riding or when at a light? Checked the fuel line? I’m assuming it’s carb’d?

[Elias]

Welcome to the site, good work on following your instincts and not getting something that you wouldn’t be comfortable with. Ride safe!

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