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2016 Honda CB500X ABS: Another Perfect Beginner Motorcycle
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The conveyance fees cover things like the prep work to get the bike ready for sale. For instance, a new bike does not arrive fully assembled, and has to be put togeather before it can be sold. Also many dealer go over used bike and make sure they are in good working order before they are sold. The fee’s are also a dealers way of making up for the cost of the insurance for while the bike has been on the showroom floor.
Delivery fees aren’t negotiable. It’s a flat rate fee to get the bike delivered to the dealer from the factory. You may also run into document fees that you can sometimes negotiate your way out of aslong as it’s not just what they are calling the registration fee.
If you can find the list price of the bike (what the dealer pays, msrp is generally a 15-20% profit margin over list) and offer them list price plus a 5% percent profit (along with their fees, but don’t include the fees when you calculate the 5%) , no dealer will turn their nose up at you and you should be getting a very good deal. The only down side is it seems to be a whole lot more difficult to determine the list price on motorcycles, as they aren’t as widely published as that of cars.
bigguybbrParticipantGood luck on bailing from the city. I remember having to call in a lot of favors to get me out, and even then I ended up being sent to work in Cow-hampshire for 6 months (starting in January, nothing like learning to drive again in a place where it snows every other day, or from moving out of NYC into the most rural place I have ever seen, the white mountains are gorgeous however)
Cloud’s bike?? I dunno, you’d need to carry a buster around with you and thats gotta be what… 300lbs of steel?
I still say this is the way to go
bigguybbrParticipantI smell another shameless plug for my bike! I’m a similar height (6’5″ with a 36″ inseam) and my favorite bike fits just fine. Sit your butt on an FZ6R. Yes it’s a 600, but it’s pretty tame aslong as you stay below 5000 rpm. It is a beginners bike with room to grow and you’ll fit on it very comfortably.
As for doing a rev limiter aka remapping your ecu or adding a piggy back ecu, I don’t know that I would go for that. The bike just isn’t going to handle correctly and with the rev’s limited you won’t learn proper throttle control, so in reality you will be limiting yourself. There are times with an inline 4 where you really need the upper rev range such as passing going up hill. Keep your displacement a little lower and get to really know your new found riding skills.
In reality, liter sport bikes won’t do that much more for you (legally) on the streets than their supersport 600cc counterparts, they really only stand out performance wise on the track, which I wouldn’t suggest for you till you have a bout 1000 miles under your belt and then sign up for one of the Californina Superbike School courses (http://www.superbikeschool.com/). Think of it as the BRC for going really fast.
bigguybbrParticipantThe R6 is a while lotta bike. Be careful
bigguybbrParticipantCongrats!!!
Plunk your butt on as many bikes as you can and get something fun to learn on.
What’s funny is that I bought a bike before the course, and don’t get me wrong, I love my FZ6R, but after riding around on one of the little tw200 enduros, I kinda want a small dual sport aswell for just having fun on a light bike around town. Now I just need to find a used one for cheep!
bigguybbrParticipantMaybe they will recover it and it’ll be stashed full of drug money. Then you could get a whole bunch of shiny new bikes, or have someone custom build you the one from Akira. That would be rockin’
On a more serious note that does suck. The same thing happend to my buddy’s GXR last year. Some dudes picked it up and threw it in the back of a van or a truck and were gone in under a minute. Kinda why I’m glad I moved out of the city and into the burbs, and bought a house with a garage. Then again thats about the only bright spot after 2 years of renovations to repair major termite damage. You win some, you lose some…
bigguybbrParticipantI’m not gonna be the only one with an FZ6R! Woohooo! You’ll love it, it’s lots of fun and easy to get going on.
Just remember, I had it first!
P.S. Avoid the fz6 board, those guys really hate the bike because it shares the same name but only cranks out 78hp and it has a full fairing.
bigguybbrParticipantI highly doubt you would pop a wheelie on this without a conscious effort to do so. Unless you are breaking very hard using only the front breaks to compress the front forks then immediatly releasing the break as you dump the clutch and pour on heavy blip of throttle while shifting your weight back then you won’t end up with the resulting combination of power, weight transfer, and the suspension decompression that pops your front wheel off the ground with a 467lb sport bike.
Doing a wheelie on a 250lb dirt bike or even a slightly heavier dual sport is a much easier thing to do with so much less mass to move around.
If you feel like you are going to somehow get the front wheel off the ground, just pull in the clutch. It cuts off the power to your rear wheel, and thus ends your wheelie-worries.
Also, my bike is black, because as everyone knows, black goes faster
bigguybbrParticipantOne thing I’ll say is make sure you talk to you teacher if you have any special needs or requests. For example, i’m a big guy(6’5″, 265) , and the ergonomics of an eliminator, rebel, nighthawk 250 etc. make it a real PITA for me to ride, let alone try to learn on. I spoke with my instructor and for the next class got off of the cursed nighthawk and was able to get onto a yamaha tw200. The difference was night and day.
The instructors are there to help you and are great at answereing all your questions so don’t be shy.
Lastly, from personal experience, if you already have a bike but have never driven a manual transmission before, practice finding the friction zone in the driveway. They do go over it in class, but having a feel for it before you start the BRC makes everything a lot easier.
bigguybbrParticipantDon’t discount the fz6r as a beginner on the power front. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, it’s a real pussy cat below 5000rpm. The clutch is smooth and it’s also pretty tough to stall which is nice when you are starting out. The internet is a little light on information on this bike with it being so new, which kinda sucked before I bought it.
The big trouble with it as a beginner is it’s weight. It’s kinda heavy at 467lbs wet weight. It can be a little nerve wracking at first when you try out your parking lot practice maneuvers at low speeds and you feel like you might tip. It’s very well balanced however, and you’ll find the bike is easy to handle once you get a few sessions with your leg over it.
On the new bike front for a beginner, I understand the whole, “don’t buy anything too nice cuz you’re just gonna ding it up” argument. I also know the kinda person I am, and anything out of the ordinary that goes wrong with the bike I’m going to blame on the previous owner for having done some jack ass move that has caused whatever problem it may be, rather than just accepting that it is wear and tear. I’ll end up with a grudge against the machine and will end up getting rid of it.
When I started on motorcycles, I wanted to get into motorcycle riding, and not motorcycle repair, as I had enough things to learn from the get go, and wanted to start our with a trouble free experience.
So if you can swing the money, and you like it, go for it.
bigguybbrParticipantFZ6R
Pro’s::
1)Comfort – With the ajustable seat and handle bars you can really tweek it to your liking. The seat is very comfortable with a lot of padding and the bike is fairly narrow through the middle. The clutch is also nice and light, so it’s easy on the hands.2)Power – Bike is a real pussycat at low rpms, but lay on the throttle and you really move. It’s great because the bike will drive like a 250 when you are just learning and keeping the rpms down, but as you grow with it you discover there is a lot more power if you want it. Also the bike has a fair amount of torque for a sport bike, so it’s pretty forgiving and doesn’t stall too often as you are starting out
3)Handling – while this bike doesn’t have all premium suspension and braking systems, together they are all more than adequate. The conventional fork even though it’s not ajustable is ample and the rear preload is a must for someone my size. The narrower rear tire helps with lean in and keeps the bike nimble (even though I still have some chicken strips, only 1cm left though
Con’s
1) Wind protection – Like the SV650, at highway speeds the air is getting directed right at your chest. Definitly need to get a double bubble.2)Weight – at 467lbs wet weight it can be a little daunting for newer or smaller riders who aren;t used to something so heavy or can’t flat foot the bike at a stop.
3)Gas mileage – At 43mpg it’s not so hot.
4)Quiet – This bike doesn’t make much of anything for exhaust sound, which is good in that you aren’t bothering your neighbors, but it’s sound is less than inspiring. With the muffler set up as a moto gp style exiting out of from behind the right foot peg (which is great for center of gravity) it means there are no slip on exhausts in it’s future to improve the sound.
5)It’s new! – I know this doesn’t sound like it should be a con, but since this is a new for ’09 model, there are no mods out there. Bummer…
Even though I have more con’s then pro’s I really do love this bike and would recommend it to anyone.
bigguybbrParticipantMy MSF course was actually state sponsored here in ct. It was only $200 to take. I wonder how other classes compare in cost.
bigguybbrParticipantEvery now and again I think I’ve shifted from first into second but accidentally hit neutral. The key is just to stay composed and don’t panic and you’ll be fine.
bigguybbrParticipantThats why I get up nice and early to take my rides. No one has woken up to enjoy their hang over’s yet. The only thing you have to watch out for that early in the morning is the soccer moms in their land assault vehicles, on the phone, drinking a latte, and yelling at 3 kids all bouncing around with no seat belts on. So aslong as I stay away from soccer fields and starbucks i’m OK
bigguybbrParticipantI’m about the same size as you just an inch taller and a little heavier. If you are looking for something new check out the Yamaha FZ6R. Yes I know it’s an inline 4 600cc, but it’s not a bad starter bike as it’s a real pussycat below 5k rpm. I really love mine. It’s as comfortable as can be, and it’ll keep me entertained for a long time to come.
http://www.beginnermotorcyclereviews.com/yamaha-fz6r/
(One thing they get wrong in this review is saying that the FZ6R is just a full faired version of the FZ6, it’s not. Don’t let the FZ6 forum guys hear you say that they are the same) -
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