Ready to be flamed…
September 26, 2008 at 7:06 pm #12814
Budd, we’ll just agree to disagree as I respect your opinion and good wishes. However I will always disagree with
“in the spirit of this sight, I do hope to one day here you say, “I should have started smaller.”
I feel that the spirit of this board should be to help beginning motorcycle riders by connecting them with others who are in a similar stage to compare experiences with. As far as helping with bike selection the spirit of this site should not be to push everyone to the smallest bike they can find, it should be to direct people to the proper bike for them. Agreed that for most newbies a smaller bike is probably the way to start. However, using a little inverse logic, aren’t you saying that by honestly stating that I am doing well on my Ducati I am violating the spirit of this forum? I would respectfully disagree.
What you wrote was barely even a spark and I didn’t take it in any way as confrontational and certainly not malicious, much like I hope you accept that my responses are simply an opinion and not an attack. But as I said I don’t think we can go anywhere on this we just have a different opinion.September 26, 2008 at 7:44 pm #12817BuddParticipant
The title of the site is best beginner motorcycles and I would have to say a liter bike does kind of violate the spirit of a beginner bike, but we are happy to share our experiences and give whatever advise we can. I don’t think it is pushing people towards the smallest bike possible, but suggesting a beginner appropriate bike and reasons for going that way. I am glad that you seem to be the exception and not the rule, but a 1000cc duc is not a beginner bike let alone one of the “best” beginner motorcycles. The fact that you are doing well on your bike is a testement to your patience and diligence in taking it slow. It is no way a violation to the spirit of the site and should be applauded, but I think all the credit goes to you and not your bike. You seem to have a good riding mentor that is helping you take it slow, get the basics down, and respects the bike as much as you do.
You have the bike and you seem to really love the bike, but I would not suggest your course of action to another. I think that is what all of these posts come down to. We are happy you are learning on a bike that you love, but your course of action isn’t one that we would recommend. I think you knew that when you posted.
“I am the best there is at what I do, and what I do ain’t nice.”-WolverineSeptember 26, 2008 at 7:59 pm #12819ilnamParticipant
spirit of the site and violation of that spirit? oh boy. i see where both of you are coming from, so I’m going to ramble for a bit. perhaps the primary spirit is one that resonates with the title of this site: best beginner motorcycles. I think we’ve agreed the Ducati GT1000, for the most part, is not the best beginner bike. You’re on this site, which budd just loves, and he is very thankful for its existence. He can’t be blamed for wanting you to someday say you should have started out smaller. That’s what this site promotes, and for good reason. But the nature of that spirit stems from safety. So we’re glad you’re being responsible and as safe as you can with the bike that you bought. I enjoy reading about your experience and progress as well. One more thing, as far as the learning curve being slower than if you started on a smaller bike…well, I guess you can’t REALLY know unless you can somehow unlearn what you’ve already learned and then get a smaller bike and see how your progression goes with that, while still comprehending, as to compare, what you previously learned/unlearned. but that’s just silly talk. you can still have a reasonable hypothesis.
EDIT: Dang, budd sneaked that last post in before mineSeptember 26, 2008 at 8:19 pm #12820ReindeerParticipant
I guess the lesson for the day is “one size does not fit all”!September 26, 2008 at 9:53 pm #12824
My reasonable hypothesis is that I am not learning any slower than I would have on a 250. Like I had mentioned in a previous post my bike is roughly the same size as some of the entry level bikes so handling a 600 lb+ machine is not an issue. In my opinion learning to deal with and respect a very powerful throttle and brakes has probably made me a more aware and responsible rider than if I had started on a smaller bike where I may have felt I had some leeway. I am not saying I am a better rider overall, I honestly believe what I said in that it is impossible for me to know for certain. However as for the aspect of awareness and respect for the machine I do feel that my bike has made me a better rider in that one regard.
One thing I should remind everyone is that I have spent the better part of this summer on a 150cc scooter. Apart from the slightly different riding position and more importantly the automatic transmission this is a small motorcycle. Maybe not all that different in terms of acceleration than some of the smaller bikes recommended on this site, keep in mind that those 150cc’s are on a machine that only weighs about 200 lbs. Even though the jump I made would still be considered huge I would certainly admit that without that scooter experience there is no way I would have been able to ride the Ducati for 30 seconds without killing myself.
Best Beginner Motorcycles, I guess I knew that was the forum name but I really think of it as the Best Beginner Motorcyclist forum.September 26, 2008 at 10:53 pm #12829
Damn! There is nothing in your post I can disagree with. Kind of takes the fun out of all this.
Like I mentioned in another post I realize the title of this forum is Best Beginner Motorcycles but I guess I’ve been treating it as Best Beginner Motorcyclists and since I am certainly not on one of the best beginner motorcycles I think I’ll have to continue thinking of it that way in order for me to justify my presence here.September 27, 2008 at 12:18 am #12832MunchParticipant
Nothing better to hear then a person and their bike fitting together well. I am glad that the size of the bike not good for the average beginners has been well beaten to death, and when there was a pulse… got a good swift kick for good measure.
That being said… I am glad to see that you have taken your time to learn and fully enjoying the bike in a safe manner. Am always coming back to look for your adventures to see if they mirror my own or maybe pick up something that I have yet to come across as I do with everyone else. Hope your rides are always productive and you keep sharing your adventures with us.
Side note: No need to add disclaimers to your choices and decisions… if someone should ever decide that what you said is the end all be all…. they already had their mind made up and you are in no way liable. In no way other then holding a gun to their head for the decision making process will you ever be liable for their decision poor or not….even then its questionable.
Yesterday is a memory, tomorrow is a prediction, but today…… is a Bi**hSeptember 27, 2008 at 12:53 am #12835smokeizfireParticipant
HE WHO DIES WITH THE MOST TOYS WINSSeptember 27, 2008 at 1:27 am #12840BuddParticipant
Well, maybe this forum makes the best beginning motorcyclists. I will start a new post on why the name of the site was important to me.
“I am the best there is at what I do, and what I do ain’t nice.”-WolverineSeptember 29, 2008 at 1:39 pm #12939AndrewParticipant
This site cannot endorse the bike you chose but we are all glad you are progressing safely along in your progress.September 29, 2008 at 3:09 pm #12948
Thanks Andrew. If I had been looking for an endorsement I never would have posted here, I did read before posting so knew that I was going against the advice of most members. I guess all I was looking for was a place to share experiences and I think I’ve found that. What I was not looking for was endless “you’re gonna die, you’re gonna kill someone” warnings. I think the few of those that appeared are a thing of the past and I certainly feel welcome.September 30, 2008 at 6:53 pm #13060
Quick update. In my first post I had written that I was probably the only one alive who owned a 150cc scooter and a 1000cc Ducati who had traveled faster on the scooter than on the Ducati. Actually until earlier today that had remained true. Today was my first trip on an interstate, about 25 miles on I-89. Beautiful day, the foliage this year is absolutely gorgeous, just a perfect day to be out there. Kept it at around 65 the entire trip made sure to keep plenty of distance from the car ahead. Though I can no longer say I’ve gone faster on my scooter, I’m pretty certain that I was the only one riding a 1000cc bike on Route 89 today who was passed by a Civic and Rav 4 as if I were standing still. Still taking it slowly.
RandyOctober 1, 2008 at 1:08 am #13078RupmiscParticipant
If its got more oomph than the 696, and it should given the engine size, did you need to go higher than 4th gear? Oh, oh.. , probably the wrong thing to say, humor or not. But good for you.
I have pickup trucks pass me on 93 all the time when I am in an M5. Any idiot can hold down a throttle. Good for you for not being rattled and riding your ride.
I picked up the 696 today and drove it 40 miles home. So far, I’m delighted. It didn’t take long to get used to the brakes, but I will really have to keep an eye on the throttle, and the speedometer. I will talk about the bike on a new thread when I have enough experience with it to say anything meaningful.October 1, 2008 at 1:52 am #13084
I did make it to 5th, and If I remember correctly, keep in mind I was keeping my eyes on the road and not the gauges, the tach read somewhere in the range of 3500. I only use 1/4 the capacity of my brain, but I’m happy with that as well, and don’t need to push either of them beyond my comfort zone.October 1, 2008 at 2:16 am #13085ReindeerParticipant
Really glad to hear everything is going so well for you. I know you’ve taken a bit of flak for your choice in bikes, but I think you really should take pride and credit for getting this far for taking the time and restraint in getting to know your motorcycle. I would only hope and wish the rest of us would do as well!
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