This is funny!
June 21, 2008 at 10:37 pm #1562AnonymousGuest
Ok, the other day i was trying to see what counter steering is.Finally after reading a bunch of articles I finally got the basic idea, but still was skeptical on how it works.Exhausted after reading I went to sleep and I had a dream were i was counter steering!It was really fun and I fully understand it(up to the theoretical part at least)June 22, 2008 at 12:14 am #7618megaspazParticipant
hehe. subliminal doing. gotta love it.
If there’s anything more important than my ego
around, I want it caught and shot now…June 22, 2008 at 5:59 pm #7642BenParticipant
You can actually experience countersteering on a bicycle if you get it going fast enough. Thats how my friend Ray taught me.
~Best Beginner Motorcycles AdminJune 26, 2008 at 7:24 pm #7895
You don’t even need to go fast to “try it out for yourself” on a bicycle. Just ride along (in a soccer field if you are afriad of falling ) and give the right handlebar a quick shove to the right. Your bike will turn sharply to the left and then instantly whip to the right (and if you look at your trail in the grass you’ll see you made a right hand turn). Its pretty fun thing to do. But then, I’m easily amusedJune 27, 2008 at 10:19 pm #7988acidpopeParticipant
If you’ve rode a bicycle, you’ve done countersteering. It should come naturally, or naturally after the first time you flew off your bicycle. I’ll post a video of an explaination of it in another thread so people will see the topic as “How to Countersteer”. I’ve found most things motorcycle are explained as if the new rider has never been on two wheels before and can barely chew their food without choking. Which for some is fully warranted. Counter-Steering for most though is just a big fancy term for something you’ve prolly already done thousands if not tens of thousands of times before.June 28, 2008 at 4:58 pm #8013AmorylParticipant
you ever get the feeling that a lot of this is difficult only because we make it more difficult by trying to think too much about it? I rode bicycles all my childhood, and no one ever once mentioned countersteering. not once, not until I started reading about motorcycle riding did I ever hear the word. but I’ll bet you dollars to dingleberries that I countersteered all the time while riding my bike, especially down long hills where I had to turn at the bottom. did I conciously know I was countersteering? did I even know that I was doing what is called countersteering rather than turning like I would in a car? no, it came naturally and without conscious thought. it’s when someone tries to tell you “you need to do this, this, and this at this time” that you’d screw it up, even though that was exactly what you’d been doing all the time. funny thing, the mindJune 29, 2008 at 1:08 am #8028acidpopeParticipant
I’ve found the toughest parts of learning to ride are the parts where I’m told to overthink simple concepts I already know about. Counter-steering is a good example. Another is when you’re told, for example, look both ways when you stop. Naturally this is something I would do. I know it from driving my car, riding my bike and heck, walking across the street. When I’m told to though, I obsess on it and end up making a mistake in another facet of riding I wouldn’t have messed up on if I wasn’t told to concentrate on something I would have done anyway. I’ve taken to just having the person who’s teaching me to ride to just tell me what he wants, and not how to do it, and if I get it right my way – lesson learned. If I don’t do it right my way, he gives me a brief explanation of how to achieve the outcome he wants and I do it that way. It’s much easier for me.July 4, 2008 at 4:05 pm #8336
There is actually a good reason for the heavy-handed teaching of counter-steering (even though most people do it automatically).
Because the physics of it are counter-intuitive, when someone gets into a panic situation (leaned over and going into a corner too fast) their brain needs to know what to do, because their terrified brain (thinking slowly) is going to what their brain thinks is the right thing to do. The “right” thing to do in that case would be to turn the handle bars like you do when going slowly. Which may very well high-side the poor sap.
It is better to make it sound overly complicated that way, when the brown stuff hits the fan, their brain is saying “push harder, keep pushing harder” because it has been rammed into them.
If that hasn’t been an issue for you, then awesome. I for one am greatful for the heavy handed counter-steering lessons. Twice now I’ve gone in too fast and both times my first reaction is what I do on my mountain bike: knee out, hips turned, drift the back end. The problem of course is that I can only drift the back end of a bike with my hips when it weighs 30 pounds and has 2.5″ wide tires… 330 pounds with 5″ wide tires… not going to happen. The “Push harder dumb-ass” (actual quote of what I said in my helmet) is what kept me on the road.July 7, 2008 at 2:05 pm #8481BuddParticipant
I was trying to explain this to my wife yesterday. She just got a 50cc scooter and was having problems on curves and turns. she doesn’t trust the lean and she doesn’t trust the push.
“I am the best I am at what I do, and what I do ain’t nice.”-WolverineJuly 7, 2008 at 5:01 pm #8505
Take her to an empty parking lot and do what they do with the MSF courses. Set up an obstacle (road cone, what have you) and have her ride right at it slowly. Have her push in the direction she wants to go, then steady up with a push in the other direction. Let her do this slowly building up speed (at her own pace). It’ll help.July 29, 2008 at 8:02 pm #9535BoOZe P-ti MotardParticipant
agreed with the grimacing squirrel…
Solomolo RiderJuly 29, 2008 at 8:05 pm #9536BoOZe P-ti MotardParticipant
also agreed with the kawasaki tank..dnt break ur head shells and nuts..ride ur ride and it will come otomatically
Solomolo RiderJuly 30, 2008 at 3:18 am #9572AmorylParticipant
oh, I agree that some people need to be beaten over the head repeatedly to learn even the most basic things. and it’s perfectly correct to expect that type. I’m simply saying ther’s a select group of people who learn more by instinct or intuition, or whatever you want to call it. and due to our bizarre minds that type of training actually messes us up.July 30, 2008 at 4:31 am #9577SuperMotoRiderParticipant
I just wiggled my handlebars back and fourth quickly at 35 mph wondering what the bike would do… it wiggled the entire bike, so I slowed down the wiggling and I notice my bike was leaning on its own without me shifting my weight at all… thats when I started to understand how easy it was to corner…
*Beginners be warned, counter-steering is effective in turning, but don’t think that you’re superman going in turns to quickly, I had my close call swinging out too wide hitting the double yellow with a car directly in front of me. But hey, yall probably wont listen til you have your own close call… thats cause were human, we all get cocky on our bikes once and awhile.
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