August 22, 2008 at 3:22 am #10940BuddParticipant
Just because he can call them what he wants doesn’t mean he should. I mean, the title of the post was respect, right? Oh, and nice anonymous post, coward.
“I am the best there is at what I do, and what I do ain’t nice.”-WolverineAugust 22, 2008 at 3:27 am #10877MattParticipant
I take flak from one guy at the office for riding a “jap-scrap piss pot”. He constantly asks when I’m going to move up to a “Real Bike”. I then ask him how long his “real bike” has spent in the garage in pieces and then I enjoy the silence (he is fixing-up / farkling his harley, so it has spent the entire season in the garage – he hasn’t ridden it yet this year. Though that is a comment on him and the amount of work he is putting into customizing his bike, not harely reliability).
Around here anyways, the divisions in bike cultures are 99% for tease. A harley rider will sneer at my “piss pot” and I’ll comment that his bike has flatulence. It’s all good.
When I’m out on my ZZR I get waves from almost everyone. Even when I’m in Hells Angels territory (now there are people you do NOT make HD jokes around) I wave and get waved back to. I haven’t had any issue with BMW owners either – usually if they aren’t waving it is because they are fiddling with a GPS or some other farkle
In fact, the only category that reliably doesn’t wave are scooter riders. I’m guessing scooter riders always wonder why whenever a motorcycle passes the rider is pointing at the ground with two fingers…
Two wheels is a community, we each find a niche, and each niche has its asshats. Don’t bother trying to get their acceptance, just enjoy the other 95% of riders who consider you one of the fold.
“The two seconds between ‘Oh S**!’ and the crash isn’t a lot of practice time.”August 22, 2008 at 3:44 pm #10965RidleytheRedParticipant
It’s better to just ignore them. They’re called trolls for a reason.August 22, 2008 at 9:10 pm #10988JirikiParticipant
“squids” explains one side of the division…
for us sport bike riders, we have an aversion to cruisers because they are often louder, less likely to have full face shield, slow in the twisties, and they don’t get out of the way!
lolAugust 22, 2008 at 9:53 pm #10995BoOZe P-ti MotardParticipant
just like fotobits explained… muahahahahahahahaha lolz….. XDDDDDDDDD
Solomolo RiderAugust 23, 2008 at 6:06 am #11011AnonymousGuest
Or “Jap”, “Nip”, etc. depending on you exercising your free speech, unshackled by political correctness (which we all *really* know is a crock).August 23, 2008 at 6:23 am #11012ShaneParticipant
“Free speech” does not apply in privately owned forums. Never has.
On a side note, if somebody finds the terms offensive, why say them? Wouldn’t it be easier just to respect those who dislike it and use different terms?
The birds are calling my name, thought Caw.August 23, 2008 at 6:36 am #11015AnonymousGuest
Someone will always be offended by something and the more you pander to them, the more often they’ll be offended.August 23, 2008 at 7:17 am #11019ShaneParticipant
Certain terms are inherently derogatory. It is pretty widely known that terms “nip and/or jap” are derogatory in nature, so just don’t say them. Simple. Using the excuse that somebody will always be offended by something is no more than a poor way of justifying one’s actions. “Someone will always be offended by something” is inept reasoning and therefore fallacious since it is wrong to use derogatory terms either way. There is no way to justify their use.
The birds are calling my name, thought Caw.August 23, 2008 at 5:17 pm #11034smokeizfireParticipant
Biggots always use the “freedom” of speech line to justify their filthy mouths. Before you talk, you have to think 1st about what to say, right? So, it only shows how enslaved his mind really is. Free your mind 1st, then your mouth will follow. You know in the winners circle, there always has to be a loser to come around and spoil the fun. OK, back to taking nothing seriously.August 23, 2008 at 10:24 pm #11036AmorylParticipant
also regardless of reliability and the like, as Elwood mentioned, his sportster is almost 900cc’s and is often considered a “girls bike” and is their smallest cc bike on the floor. that right there is as good of a reason to get a japanese bike as your first bike as any. time and time again it’s reccomended starting small and working up, cruisers are more newbie friendly in terms of power, but less so in terms of pure weight, so while the power of the 883cc cruiser engine isn’t near the power of the same cc in a sportbike engine, the weight is also considerably heavier, and at slow speeds where you’re most likely to dump your bike as a newbie, thats going to come into play a LOT. a 250cc is going to be a lot lighter, and more nimble at slow newbie practice speeds than any harley. and the only 250cc cruisers out there are all japanese. same with the 500cc, 650cc… for your first bike, choose the bike you feel safest on. the bike you honestly feel you’ll be able to handle and ride comfortably, not the bike you wish you could handle.August 24, 2008 at 2:34 am #11045rtParticipant
A lot of good advice here. Some a little biased maybe, but it’s all good
I think PC bull**** can get annoying too.
But a little class goes a long way I think.
You’ll probably find that it’s people new to motorcycles or people that don’t have a motorcycle that give the old “Harley’s leak oil” and “Jap crap piece of cheap plastic” kind of thing. So ignore them.
Everybody does it at first, I’ve said some of these things myself in the past, maybe worse.
Then the people who really love motorcycles and stick with it quit repeating the old cliches’.
The longer you ride, the more riding friend’s you’ll make and they will have different bikes, it just works that way.
Why piss off a friend or somebody who may become a friend?
Some of you guys talk about “Harley riders” like they are from another planet or something. Lol.
They’re the same stiffs as everybody, they probably don’t “discuss” your’ Japanese sport bike with you because they don’t know what the fudge they’re looking at and aren’t interested in finding out
I’ve never seen a new Harley that leaks oil and they don’t break down anymore than other bikes out there.
The support for them is unreal.
I’ve got a pal who has a wide glide, but took his’ 883 on a recent 1,400 mile trip with us and he didn’t have one problem…he’s 54 . It’s not a girl bike when he rides it. A Sportster IS NOT A CRUISER BTW.
I’ll defend the metric bikes as well, most people don’t realize that a NEW Stratoliner, VTX1800, Hyabusa or the like cost $13,000 to $16,000 plus……
if somebody thinks that cheap…then well, salute?
And yes, it’s true a metric power cruiser can whoop up every stock Harley except a V-rod and a real sport bike can humble any cruiser. But Harley’s are for cruising and they’re a Harley, it’s a Harley thing, that’s what’s important to a HD owner.
As far as a twin vs in-line… you guys know this, it’s all about torque. Traditionally your’ going to get more useable torque on the street from a twin. It’ll actually be easier to ride at slower speeds.
You go through the gears to get to 70 mph on most twins (we’re not talking super bikes).
A 600 sport bike can get to 70 in first gear!!
Never ridden a Ninja 250 though, so I can’t comment on any of that.
It’s personal preference. A lot of folks have multiple bikes for this reason. I’ll bet a number of the new riders you have here will eventually have multiple bikes. I tell my wife that I’ve been building my bike “collateral” over the years and that they practically don’t cost me a thing now…… and no, she doesn’t believe it.
Buying a first bike? Start cheap, probably used. Get something you can handle and learn on but can keep up with any riding buddies you got.
If your’ still riding after a year and love it, start looking for your’ serious bike. By then, you’ll know more about bikes, you’ll know more about how you ride and what bike you’ll need to do it better.August 24, 2008 at 2:56 am #11046LokiParticipant
Ya i noticed that everyone on a bike will wave but some just wont talk to you.
Today i was riding my sports bike and a group of harley riders drove past (7 or all waved and so did i. The bad thing is i had to keep my hand up for all of them out of respect but i slowly went to the side of the rode… I thought it was funny. I wasnt close to wrecking though.August 24, 2008 at 3:06 am #11047megaspazParticipant
Personally, if your “riding” buddies are making you keep up, you need to find new riding buddies. Just my opinion, but riding buddies should never make you keep up at and/or past your comfort level and ability. Other than that, fine post.
Personally, never listen to anyone who tells you in seriousness you have a girl’s bike. Like said before get what suits you best at the point in time you’re in. I, myself, am planning on having a stable of horses of different types of bikes.
My immediate plans are to get an 08 sv650sf for track and then a motard. Met some peeps that ride dirt and that looks fun as hell. After that a cruiser of some sort… not sure what though. I like the aesthetics of HDs. I’ll look totally funny in full leathers, though. But who the hell cares? It’s my ride and if you look in the vids and pics section, there’s a vid of a dude knee draggin’ at the track on a goldwing.
Edit: I think I’d rather get a duc first before a cruiser bike…
If there’s anything more important than my ego
around, I want it caught and shot now…August 24, 2008 at 3:26 am #11049AmorylParticipant
by what definition is a sportster NOT a cruiser? I mean I’ll admit that I’m not the end all know all of motorcycles….
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