New Bike Purchase-general pricing question
September 18, 2008 at 3:59 pm #2110
I live in MA. In MA and NH, there seems to be sticker price. Then every dealer adds some variation on “freight” (shipping?), administration (who knows but may include preparing papers for RMV, may just be fee for xeroxing), etc.
Is this standard everywhere?
Also, on new bikes generally, on Ducati and Triumph in particular, what is the general practice regarding price negotiation? There is no source that I can find that provides the kind of sticker/real price information that one can find on cars?September 18, 2008 at 4:39 pm #12328NoobacycleParticipant
I’m curious about this too. I always see a $500 freight surcharge stacked onto the cost of a bike. I really wonder if it is commonplace to negotiate out of it and just pay sticker for the bike?September 18, 2008 at 4:42 pm #12329RabParticipant
Yes, it’s pretty standard for them to add on tax, freight, RMV/DMV fees, assembly (from the crate) fees and fake fees too sometimes). New motorcycle buying can be like used car buying I’ve found. That said, prices are often (always?) negotiable.
When I bought my new bike about 6 weeks ago, there weren’t many bikes that I wanted in the local showrooms (all sold-out and waiting for ’09 models), so not much room for negotiation there. I was expecting to pay MSRP plus all the crap, but managed to find one and get it for $400 less than MSRP (an advertised price). I was happy with that so didn’t even try to negotiate. With my previous bike, I negotiated $250 off their asking price. The one before that, I showed them another dealer’s advertisement in “Cycle Trader” magazine and they “price-matched” to that saving me ~$400.
To cut the crap, you should ask the dealer for their best “out the door” price and use that to negotiate from and compare offers. Sometimes they’ll be willing to negotiate on price and sometimes they’ll throw in some free gear (jacket and/or helmet etc.), but if they’re doing that, then they’re obviously not giving you their best price.
If and when you sell a bike, try to sell it on Craig’s List, etc. first. It can be a pain dealing with all the tire kickers and yahoos, but you’ll usually just be insulted if you try to trade it in.
For dealer invoice prices, check out : http://www.cyclebuy.com/invoice.htm
P.S. For the more sensitive souls on the board, “crap” is not a swear word, it’s derived from the name of the man who is generally credited with inventing the flush toilet, one Thomas Crapper.September 18, 2008 at 8:15 pm #12333MattParticipant
“P.S. For the more sensitive souls on the board, “crap” is not a swear word, it’s derived from the name of the man who is generally credited with inventing the flush toilet, one Thomas Crapper.”
You learn something new every day.
“The two seconds between ‘Oh S**!’ and the crash isn’t a lot of practice time.”September 18, 2008 at 11:51 pm #12342
Rab, thanks for the info. I will check the link.
Matt, your note on the origin of the word “crap” is correct. I think you were just sharing information on “crap” which is interesting. But I have strong feelings about those “sensitive” people who take offense at language. So, for them, the following OT thoughts.
What is a swear word? Basically, it is an offensive word, especially used as an expression of anger (thank you OED). The key word is “offensive”. Offensive to whom? Is that my problem if a word offends them if it is not directed at them? To me, a noun is a noun. If people don’t like talking about stool, manure, or fecal matter then “crap” is as much a swear word as “sh*t” which seems to “offend” some people. Why. Say the same about a certain four letter reference to sex. Or, if “Hell” is a place in some religious views, what is the problem. Why do I have to day “darn” because it may offend someone who thinks I shouldn’t say the other word? There free to be offended if I say “f**k you”, but not if I just say “oh f**k”. Saying “you are a worthless human being” is offensive when “oh my, how terrible” isn’t.
A swear can be any word, when used to indicate anger or frustration, that might not even have anything to do with the meaning of the word. Certainly, there is no real meaning in some of the words in the following: “Why the f-ing h-l do sh-ting people give a rat’s a*s about my go*da*ned word usage. Grow up, be an adult. A word is a word. If someone “swears” too much, it may be for emphasis (kind interpretation) or just because they have a limited vocabulary (unkind interpretation). But let’s not empower these people by actually caring whether a word is offensive, unless it is real hate speech, directed at a person or group of people. “You” as in “you people” has frequently been a far more offensive word than crap. End of OT rant.September 19, 2008 at 12:23 am #12350
Interesting site. But better for some Japanese bikes and Harley. No information for any european bike. Also, be aware that they are selling this information.September 19, 2008 at 2:18 am #12354RabParticipant
Looks like I unwittingly pushed a few buttons there.September 19, 2008 at 2:27 am #12355
Rab, yeah you did, but it was a good push. Thanks for the opportunity.
Elwood, like the post on free speech. We’re probably both overreacting. But, was it Barry Goldwater (before your time?) who said that “extremism in the pursuit of virtue is no vice”? He probably overreacted too. But I don’t know if my motorcycle makes me equal, hell it makes me small and more vulnerable than I do in an M5. Being human makes us equal. Riding motorcycles makes us like talking to each other. Sharing respect for riding leads us to respect each other. Shared culture, shared respect (even if some of us prefer different styles).
Damn, it’s just way past my bedtime. I’m sure that could have sounded less pompous. Forgive me ’cause I’m so OLD.
But did I goof or are you in your 40’s? If I didn’t goof, you aren’t old you just have more experience off of a bike. The next thing you know, some 28 year old is going to say they’re old.September 19, 2008 at 2:31 am #12356BuddParticipant
I am totally offended. Thomas Crapper was my great grandfather and to have what comes out of someones but referred to by his name injures me deeply. Seriously, the words take a knife and cut a whole in my heart and then take a crap in it.
“I am the best there is at what I do, and what I do ain’t nice.”-WolverineSeptember 19, 2008 at 2:48 am #12361
Didn’t mean to offend your family. I hope you will accept my hole hearted apology butt will understand if you don’t.September 19, 2008 at 3:27 am #12364AnonymousGuest
No pan intended I’m sureSeptember 19, 2008 at 4:21 am #12366AmorylParticipant
you know what I love? all those fees added to used vehicles. when I bought my jeep neigh on 10 years ago, I was going through the paperwork afterwards and found they’d tacked on $300 for undercarriage rustproofing that was done by the original owner before he traded it in. but apperently it was on there, so they effing charged me for it.
by the way, I’m missing something here…was someone offended by the word “crap”? if so the post is gone.September 19, 2008 at 6:35 am #12374smokeizfireParticipant
That was comedy.
HE WHO DIES WITH THE MOST TOYS WINSSeptember 19, 2008 at 1:30 pm #12381BuddParticipant
Hey rupmisc, leave me alone! It was late. So you could have comedy or good grammar. But, yeah those were dumb mistakes. Good thing I didn’t attempt a short story last night.
“I am the best there is at what I do, and what I do ain’t nice.”-WolverineSeptember 19, 2008 at 3:10 pm #12382
Yeah, it was late. Too much happening in the real, or at least the financial, world. Don’t know why I was posting that stuff either. Need a little present to myself, but can’t decide whether to do something three weeks before it gets cold.
Looking for answers that don’t exist leads to philosophy and verbosity, which tend to be related.
It’s still late!
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