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August 9, 2008 at 5:12 pm #1864BenParticipant
Hey guys!!
I’m excited to tell you all that I have managed to review the HJC FS-10 that I have been looking at for a while. Bottom line is I am really impressive but I wish that my head was more HJC shaped rather than Shoei shaped. Now I need to do a head to head with some scorpion helmets
Check it out and let me know what you all think!
https://www.bestbeginnermotorcycles.com/hjc-fs-10-helmet-review
Ben
August 9, 2008 at 6:35 pm #10157CBennettParticipantReally sounds cool with the shield and all. I just bought a Gmax that is pretty decent(snell/dot rated) and cheap for what you get..but I would have much rather had the one you reviewed
August 9, 2008 at 8:02 pm #10163BoOZe P-ti MotardParticipantso airforce pilots put hjc?lol…if you have time, check on some sharks….though i also like shoei..but also shark..and sh…grr…
BoOZe
Solomolo RiderAugust 9, 2008 at 9:47 pm #10174CityHunter357ParticipantI looked at the FS-10 also. It’s a nice helmet, but for the money I went with the AC-10 Crypt instead and used the balance of the money for another piece of gear (Icon ARC Textile Pants – White).
–“You don’t get to be old bein’ no foo, see? Lotta young wise men that’s deaaad as a motha!#@% ain’t they?– Richard Pryor as “Mudbone”
August 10, 2008 at 1:25 am #10170fotobitsParticipantBut the lack of ventilation is a deal killer in Texas. It is 101 outside right now, again. I’m going to keep looking for a helmet with the flip-visor feature and excellent ventilation. Or maybe keep two helmets. The internal sun visor isn’t necessary in the summer, and ventilation is less critical the other nine months.
Damn it’s hot this summer. Somebody turn off the furnace already! A full dark smoke visor is just as necessary as excellent ventilation right now.
August 10, 2008 at 6:20 am #10190LokiParticipantSee i have a HJC head, not a shoei head. the front of my head hurts when put in the shoei but not the HJC. I have the HJC CL-SP and i really like it. I think it is alittle loud but i havent had other helmets. Its also feels really good and it really breathable, i havent sweat in it yet. The only bad side is that its alittle big. Could you maybe do a review on it? I would like to see your views on the helmet.
August 10, 2008 at 6:40 am #10193megaspazParticipantYou me both. I was looking at the scorpion exo 1000, but that got bad ratings as well for ventilation. To be honest, I can’t really tell if the vents do anything on my shoei rf1000. I do get the breeze on my face, but from the opening of the helmet from under the chin. I can tell the top vents are open by going real fast on the highway and twisting my head to the side above the windscreen… I get a high pitched whistling noise. I could tell the mouth vent was open as one time I got some random bug splat taste and a stringy bug leg on my lips. But other than that, can’t tell with just the feeling of air…
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around, I want it caught and shot now…August 10, 2008 at 4:30 pm #10198TheAbomb12ParticipantI checked it out, and while the helmet features look nice, its not Snell lab approved (Imagine because of the visor feature). I won’t wear anything unless it passes Snell Inspection.
August 10, 2008 at 8:13 pm #10211BenParticipantHehe, its funny I’m kind of the opposite way now. I used to be 100% for snell and then I read some really good arguments why snell might not be the best test, and why it might even put your brain in more danger. Basically a quick 1 sentence summary of the many pages I’ve read on the subject is as follows:
For a helmet to pass Snell it generally requires harder (and therefore sometimes thinner) foam then a helmet that only has to to pass DOT.
Having harder foam means that the helmet will be able to take more than 1 impact in the same place, but it also results in your brain being slammed harder against the side of your skull then you would have with a softer/thicker foam that might only be rated to take 1 impact. Anyway, I don’t want to get in a huge debate about this, but that is the super short version of my thoughts. I would definitely encourage you to research the Snell/dot debate further if it interests you. I think we can all agree that having any type of helmet is lots better than having no helmet at all.
Ben
~Best Beginner Motorcycles AdminAugust 10, 2008 at 8:21 pm #10212BoOZe P-ti MotardParticipantbetter try not to crash….
snell came later nopes? DOT is more secure for me.. hey you have index and stm helmets there?
BoOZe
Solomolo RiderAugust 10, 2008 at 8:49 pm #10213TheAbomb12Participantyeah… I don’t want to spark and heated debate… but I started looking into the differences between DOT and Snell, and pulled this up on the Snell website…but I think the key here is that BOTH tests use acceleration to gauge the performance of a helmet; which is much more accurate indication of how well a helmet protects then how thick/soft the material is.
Impact criteria tell the testers how to interpret test results. Ancient wisdom has it that it’s not the fall that does the damage, it’s the sudden stop. Both Snell and DOT measure the suddenness of the stop with an accelerometer, a device used to measure acceleration or in this case deceleration, that is mounted inside the headform. When the helmet smacks into the anvil, the accelerometer measures the headform deceleration throughout the duration of the impact event. This acceleration pulse is generally plotted as G’s versus milliseconds where one G is equal to the acceleration due to gravity on the surface of the earth. The testers analyze the acceleration pulse to determine whether the helmet passed or failed the test. Snell and DOT use different methods to analyze these pulses. Snell limits the peak value to 300 G’s. The DOT Standard requires that the peak acceleration not exceed 400 G’s but they also put duration limits on the acceleration pulse. The period of time for which the pulse exceeds 200 G’s must not be longer than 2 milliseconds. The period of time for which the pulse exceeds 150 G’s must not be longer than 4 milliseconds. Snell, among others, questions the validity of these duration criteria. […]
so it sounds like there are two main differences;
Snell has a max peak acceleration of 300- period, while DOT allows for peaks of 400, but no more than 150 for more than 4 ms. So to pass SNELL, you have to keep the acceleration inside the helmet lower over all, but the duration of acceleration technically could be more than what is certifiable under DOT.
BUT keep in mind, ALL Snell impact tests are performed at 110 joules; versus DOT impacts of 110 for only large helmet sizes.
Check out the table on the website for further examination.
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I also thought this little bit was interesting. But then again… it is the SNELL website
There are also administrative differences between Snell and DOT.[…] Snell technicians in Snell labs tested samples of the helmet to Snell standards before the helmet was certified. Furthermore, as a condition of certification, Snell regularly buys samples of all Snell certified products and brings them into our lab for follow-up testing.
DOT certification is done on the honor system. The helmet’s manufacturer determines whether his helmets satisfy DOT and then claims the qualification for himself. There is not even a reporting requirement. […]
August 10, 2008 at 9:03 pm #10215BoOZe P-ti MotardParticipantum its like DOT does different calculations and has different answers (different ‘settings’ set to helmets depending on size of helmet=size of head..different heads have different impacts?!) and SNELL does different calculations to have same answer, (trying to make perfect helmet)…interesting… though i did not get the whole of it and that i don’t like fizixxx… i dunno where snell come up from but i feel its like yamaha and star…
hey get a good helmet and try not to crash… XXDBoOZe
Solomolo RiderAugust 10, 2008 at 9:09 pm #10218AndrewParticipantDo the helmets in the store have a sticker on the helmet or the tag? I tried on some in a local store and didn’t see any tags. Maybe I was looking in the wrong place.
August 10, 2008 at 9:11 pm #10216TheAbomb12Participant(sorry for the long previous post)
after doing a bit more research, I think I have come to a more reasoned conclusion…
a purely Snell helmet will protect better against extreme high impacts than the DOT standard will
BUT… the DOT standard protects well in most crashes, and generally subjects your head to less prolonged deceleration. This is were people consider DOT to be better in typical crashes.
however, a Helmet that is BOTH DOT and SNELL should protect even better than just a helmet that is only DOT or SNELL approved. After doing the research, I would buy a SNELL only helmet at all; but good thing that Most helmets that are Snell approved are also DOT.
August 10, 2008 at 9:15 pm #10221BoOZe P-ti MotardParticipantso in my language up there i might have got it well thanx for the info and…so only hjc are both approved?
BoOZe
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