Friend wants brand new GSXR for first bike and won’t listen to reason. How do I prevent her from making a serious mistake?
August 11, 2008 at 10:12 pm #10319Chris PParticipant
Definitely try to talk her into the MSF class. If the only experience she has on a bike is crashing it really couldn’t hurt. Try to explain to her that even the very basics of riding are drastically different from the Beamers she is used to. Maybe approach it from the point of view that she wouldn’t want to scratch her new bike.. or look like an ass in front of her “friends.”
Good luck. I have to say I admire you. I would have given up a long time ago.August 11, 2008 at 10:31 pm #10320BoOZe P-ti MotardParticipant
Haha 2t is something else… its freaking thrilling to ride a 100cc 2T bike, reaches 100kmph ina blink of an eye compared to a 4T 100cc… Dang my friend has a dormant honda bike i think (not sure) with inline twin and… 2T!!!!!
So your stubborn friend is not willing to accept anything until lately… She is kind of short and closed minded, lollypop daughter of her father with money… and she thinks four cylinders are better than two? Well she better read some, or most i should say, reviews of bikes and etc. If the mild things you are saying to her are not working, try some harder timings. I dunno take her for a ride on the V-90 and show her the leans and power of that beast. As others said, show her the beauty of leathers and overall gearing (if only the gsx650f was not I-4 – i think she likes I-4 mostly for their devilish sounds, just like me )… but also show her some cases of accidents and explain to her. But most important of all, detach her from the group she is going to… peer group pressure, that’s what i learned at school and now i am seeing that if you really want to help her out, take your time, the key is to keep her piggysquidy(whatsoever) friends outbounds of her. If you are successful in this task, then whatever you say she’ll listen well hope so
Solomolo RiderAugust 11, 2008 at 10:34 pm #10321BoOZe P-ti MotardParticipant
yea sure this must be her 2nd priority after gears… tell her with skills you can impress the squids even more… and as i told you above, keep her away from her peers… and will she fit ina buza?!!lol…
Solomolo RiderAugust 11, 2008 at 11:47 pm #10340MunchParticipant
I tell all the muscle heads at my auto shop that I work with that want the ultimate rice burner or even the new Amercan-ish made muscle cars.
300hp and 100 hp move at the same rate of speed when you are driving everyday commutes. Speed limits tend to cap that out.
Don’t believe me…. challenge them to a drag race down the road, as they jump you off the light call the local county mounty and report a wreckless driver . Kind of tough love but it works.
Oh yea , don’t forget to wave at them as you go across the finish line before them at or a touch above posted speed limit.August 12, 2008 at 1:17 am #10342AmorylParticipant
make sure you get some good pics, maybe a vid or two of her in those short shorts now, before she kills herself. if you can’t have her, at least you can have a permanent reminder of what’s clearly her best asset.August 12, 2008 at 2:35 am #10346TheAbomb12Participant
slap her silly.
that is the only answer.August 12, 2008 at 4:45 am #10347ShaneParticipant
Find new friends. lol
The birds are calling my name, thought Caw.August 12, 2008 at 5:27 am #10350AaronMerlotParticipant
It’s that “It” factor that so many people just can’t, won’t,or just don’ t want to get. Do your best to help keep her safe but in the end it is her choice and hers alone. So you do what you can so no matter what happens you a have a clean conscience. Good luckAugust 12, 2008 at 6:30 am #10354DonGuest
Ask her if she’d have felt comfortable learning to drive in a Lamborghini Diablo…
Then tell her that learning on a Hayabusa is worse.August 12, 2008 at 11:21 am #10360WeaponZeroParticipant
I told her something along the lines of what Ben mentioned, and I think it’s really sinking in. I don’t know if it’s 100% true or not, but if it keeps her from hopping onto a gixxer for her first bike then frankly I don’t care if it stinks of the tooth fairy and the easter bunny.
I told her that if she starts out on a 250 rather than on a 600 supersport her skills will develop much quicker and she’ll be able to jump onto a literbike much sooner. I also made it quite clear that regardless of what bike she starts out on she’s going to have to go thru 3 or 4 bikes before being able to step up to a ‘Busa, but going from a 250 to a literbike is not unreasonable as long as it’s not a brand new CBR1000RR/R1/GSXR1000/ZX10R. I explained to her that there are skills she needs to master before she steps up to a large displacement sportbike that she will need to practice on her first bike, and with the way 600 supersports make their power its not really possible to “practice” these techniques if you aren’t already familiar with them. As I said I don’t really know if it’s true or not, but it sounded good and it makes sense when you think about it, and if it keeps her off a 600 then I’m happy.
I’ve also been showing her pics of older bikes from the late 90s that are no longer being built such as the road oriented ZX-9R they used to make that got replaced by the track scratcher ZX-10R (bad move on kawis part IMO but if it sells more, whatever), the old CBR900RR thats powered by the current 919 engine, and the Suzuki RF900 and she’s really taken a shine to them. I explained to her that the fact that despite the fact that theyre sportbikes, these bikes were designed with real roads and mind, not just as track bikes, and that makes them better on normal roads than the supersports of today when not on the track. She’s taken a liking to them and is asking me why they don’t build bikes like that anymore. Unfortunately I don’t have an answer that would make sense to someone who doesn’t understand the whole win-on-sunday-sell-on-monday thing.
I could be wrong but I don’t think it’s unreasonable for someone who’s spent a year riding around on a Ninja 250R to move on to one of these older ’90s road-oriented literbikes.August 12, 2008 at 1:02 pm #10365BuddParticipant
as amoryl alluded: This tread is useless without pics.
“I am the best there is at what I do, and what I do ain’t nice.”-WolverineAugust 12, 2008 at 4:17 pm #10382MattParticipant
“I could be wrong but I don’t think it’s unreasonable for someone who’s spent a year riding around on a Ninja 250R to move on to one of these older ’90s road-oriented literbikes.”
Not having done it, I won’t say much more than some of the bikes (the 919 in particular) as supposed to be sufficiently friendly that doing that is doable if not entirely safe. I’ve been told the Z750 is a good step up from a ninja 250 (but, in all honesty, that might be what I wanted to hear since I really love the look of those bikes).
Some of the bikes however, it really isn’t true. In particular the first gen FI bikes had wicked tempers with poor fuelling. If you keep her pointed at the older engine designs (carbs) then that would be best.
Other options for a SECOND bike that might sit well with her are the 800cc road going sports. The Honda VFR800 and BMW F800ST come to mind right away. Both are good looking to most people, both are wickedly fast, and both are “friendly” enough that I’d consider them doable second bikes (I really loved the engine from the F800ST in the F650GS I rode, and my Dad with about a years riding experience had no problems handling the 800ST).
If she likes those bikes, you can let her know that the Ninja 250 is a very good primer for them since it has a similar seating position and “feel”.
“The two seconds between ‘Oh S**!’ and the crash isn’t a lot of practice time.”
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