Suzuki Boulevard S40 vs Suzuki Boulevard S50

'Uncle Bernie' one of the members of BBM has written about his experience of moving from the Suzuki Boulevard S40 to the Suzuki Boulevard S50. Here is a link to his original forum post: http://www.bestbeginnermotorcycles.com/forum/forum-topic/594/suzuki-s40-...

I just bought a Suzuki S50 after riding a Suzuki S40 for the last three months. Ben asked if I'd post a review of the S40 compared to the S50 I just bought so here it is...

I. Initial impressions from test ride

I practiced “duck walking” the bike backward and forward and turning it around...definitely feel the extra hundred pounds...

The driveway leading out of the parking lot from "The Motorcycle Man" sloped upwards at around a 25-30 degree angle. I rode the bike up to the point where the front wheel was about a foot from the edge of the road and most of the bike was on the incline. On the S40 I probably could have kept the bike from rolling backwards by either applying the front/rear brake or just pressing down with my feet and holding the bike without applying the brakes. The S50 didn’t allow both options. I definitely had to use the technique I'd been practicing on upward slopes with my S40 of keeping the bike stopped with the front brake and simultaneously gassing and letting off the brake and clutch at the same time*. After one stall out which I attribute to my apprehension about how the bike would behave if I gave it too much gas on takeoff, I managed to get the bike moving and head out onto the road. As always, the apprehension was unfounded and, while the s50 did take off with a little more authority than the s40 it wasn't anything that worried me once I got going.

Taking off I felt a bit of engine sputter laying on the gas. I notice the same thing with my S40 when it is "cold". In this case I'm not talking about cold as a temperature designation so much as the engine hadn't been running long enough to perform at peak efficiency. Like the S40, the S50 wants and needs the choke out upon a fresh start and seems to want to idle, like the S40, for a couple of minutes from a cold start before being taken out on the street. I have no empirical data at this point but I expect the S50, having a normally aspirated carburetor will behave much the same way. I did note that after test riding for a couple of minutes and stopping the bike, waiting, and restarting it to see if it had warmed up a bit (and I must note the engine sprang to life with authority the second time I started the bike...with no choke), my initial impressions are that the bike probably takes longer to get warmed up than its fuel injected counterparts, the C50 and the M50 and that longer rides will reveal once the bike is adequately warmed up the performance will improve accordingly.

When you open up the throttle on a "warmer" engine, and I only had about a half mile of road I was testing on and I didn't push the bike very hard, I did get the very tactile feeling there was a heavier, slightly nastier beast between my legs than I was used to. With the S40 lately I felt like rider and bike were beginning to be outmatched in terms of performance and expectation. I was asking the S40 for performance out on the freeways it was striving for, and "mostly" delivering (but not quite), to achieve. The S50 feels like it's taking "me" on a ride as opposed to "us" taking a ride together. I know that familiarity and comfort will cure that but, as I noted, this is an initial impression. I did open up the bike somewhat, and was exhilarated but definitely not intimidated by the increase in speed and power I was experiencing. If anything, I am excited by it and am looking forward to future rides. So far, so good...

*I haven’t worked on this using the back brake due to Texas’ motorcycle law that a complete stop “ain’t” a complete stop unless both feet are down, so, all my practice has been done using the front brake for this maneuver.

II. I’ve Got a Name (apologies to Jim Croce)

"Moving me down the highway
rolling me down the highway
moving ahead so life won't pass me by"
from the song by Jim Croce, "I've Got a Name", circa 1973

All of a sudden "Ferdie" literally popped into my head for this bike’s name and just stuck. And after looking up the historical derivation, the name popping into my head feels very much like kismet. So Ferdie it is! Here is the historical meaning of the name (from http://www.behindthename.com/name/ferdie):

FERDIE
Gender: Masculine
Usage: English
Pronounced: FUR-dee
Pet form of FERDINAND

FERDINAND
Gender: Masculine
Usage: German, French, Czech, Slovene

“Pronounced: FUR-di-nand (English), FER-dee-nahnt (German)
From Ferdinando, the old Spanish form of a Visigothic name composed of the Germanic elements frið, "peace" and nanð, "daring, brave". This was the name of several rulers of Spain, Portugal and the Holy Roman Empire. It was also borne by Portuguese explorer Ferdinand Magellan, the leader of the first expedition to sail around the earth.” (emphasis mine)

I don’t know why it came to me, but peace, daring, and the freedom to discover new parts of the world all fit very nicely...

III. First Full Rides

I brought the bike home from Beaumont on a trailer last Saturday, May 24. I’ve never towed a bike before and got a pack of four ratcheted tie-downs and a pack of two “motorcycle” tie-downs (at least they were according to the package). I rented a ramp trailer from U-Haul as well to tow the bike with. All in all, not a bad trip… I asked Revon (a.k.a. The Motorcycle Man) to help me tie Ferdie down because while I’d read about how to do it, I’d never actually done it, and this guy has been involved in moving bikes from point A to B for years. We ended up needing three of the ratcheted tie-downs and that was it. The trailer had a short wall that went around the entire perimeter and a railing with shafts of metal holding it up that the hooks on the ties could be attached to. Except for one of the ties coming loose about halfway between the 85 miles from Houston to Beaumont the trip went without incident and the bike made it home safely.

Due to commitments, my first full ride didn’t come until Sunday afternoon. I suited up, checked the air in the tires and headed out for the concrete playground that is the Houston freeways. Well, actually, first I rode the bike on some familiar neighborhood roads. For those of you who don’t know, I’m from Houston and the blog found here, http://www.burger.com/rebelb56.htm, is something I stumbled upon while researching riding techniques and good first bikes. The little “twisties” on White Oak are mentioned a lot and that’s a good place to ride through to get your bearings. Everything felt fine and my initial impression was that the S50 just felt more solid than the S40 in all respects. I don’t mean from a construction standpoint, both bikes are solidly built, more from the “how it rides” standpoint. The S40 just doesn’t feel as substantial or commanding cruising down the road as the S50.

I decided to head over to a road here called Allen Parkway which has some mildly sweeping turns and mild elevation changes as well to see how the bike handled in the 45-50 mpg range. One thing I noted is that the rear suspension felt somewhat springy and a little too mushy for my taste. There’s a manual adjustment that can be done to stiffen that up so I’ve made a note to myself to stiffen up the back springs before future rides. Everything else mostly felt fine and at the end of Allan Parkway is a tight, circular exit ramp leading on to I-45, a freeway that bisects Houston from north to south, so I hit that and thought “let’s see what this thing can do out on the highway”.

First of all, getting up to freeway speeds took no time at all. Also, the S50 feels like it was made for cruising at 70 mph. Very little vibration compared to the S40. The ride was much smoother and the bike felt like it was very much in the pocket. I noted that, contrary to what you might think being strapped to the back of a newer, bigger, more powerful machine, I felt very much at ease, much more so than on the S40. The engine was humming, not vibrating wildly like the S40. Side winds didn’t seem to affect the forward trajectory of the bike as much. I didn’t feel as though I had to do as much work to keep the bike stable as I did on the S40. The extra hundred pounds of heft really make a difference in that regard. I felt really comfortable, maybe even a bit “too” comfortable.

There was a certain technique I would execute on the S40 while changing lanes to get clear of the “wolf packs” of cars that tend to develop on the freeway. I would hit the turn signal, check the side mirror, do my head check and then, if clear, would change lanes while rolling on the throttle to get over and ahead of the cars around me. On the S40 I would open up the throttle completely and would get a very, very mild “burst” of acceleration. I tried the same technique on the S50 and, without even realizing it, found myself in the next lane to my left cruising at a little over 90 miles per hour, the fastest I’ve ever been on two wheels. I thought to myself “holy crap, what the hell?” and realized I can’t get lazy on this bike. I have to be very aware and get comfortable with and respect the extra power. This happened towards the end of the particular ride it was happening on and I was close to the exit leading to my neighborhood. Note to self, don’t get comfy too the point of forgetting where you are and don’t forget to use the gray matter between your ears or you might lose the ability to use it at all.

In sum, this bike has power to spare, much more power than the S40. You can roll on the throttle at 75-80 miles per hour and the S50 will just take off. I had read a forum post by a guy that claimed to hit 120 on his S50 (and he said he didn’t think he’d maxed it out at that point) and while I haven’t tried, nor do I want, to hit that high a speed I’m prone to believe, based on the quickness with which the S50 got to 90mph that this is very possible. So far, I love the bike and am having fun but I’m also trying to remain cognizant of the increased power and speed and am trying to remain mindful of that when out on the road.

IV. Conclusions

The S40 is a fine motorcycle for what it is, a basic, no frills, lightweight, mildly powerful, good-looking little cruiser. In a blog post I’d read on this site someone referred to it as the Ninja 250 of cruisers. I can’t agree more. If you’re not into sport bikes and want a good first machine to learn on that has enough power to get you around but not so much you’ll get into trouble then the S40 more than fits the bill. In my estimation it is a very good first bike.

The S50 is the S40 on steroids. There’s more weight, more power, and “gobs” more acceleration. While I’m loving it so far I am aware that it’s a bike that, given my current accumulated hours “in the seat”, is a little ahead of me. I felt though, based on my freeway experiences I needed a bike with a little more heft and power and have found so far that the S50 is delivering what I need. I don’t think the S50 is a proper bike to start on if you don’t have previous street riding time, but I do feel as though I’ve ended up in the right place with the S50 which is a place where I can have a lot of fun, feel in control, and not feel outmatched by all the four wheelers around me.

Comments

The S40

I've been perusing this site for a while and just had to add my two cents on this one. I just got an S40 as a brand new rider. It was this review that actually turned me onto to S40. My only experience on a motorcycle came from the MSF course and the thought of getting on a 650 was mildly terrifying. Then I got on it. Now I wonder why I even considered getting a 250 at all. It handles well, easy to deal with, not that heavy and I can't wait to start using on my commute. It does have some vibration issues, but once you get it up to speed they start smoothing out- it doesn't really even effect the mirrors. Thanks for the great information on everything. This site is great.

Christina: My wife and I

Christina:
My wife and I recently took the MSF and started looking for a starter bike shortly thereafter. Initially, we were looking for a 250 as that is the only size bike we had ever ridden and felt comfortable with. However, after doing some research, we decided on an s40. I think it was an excellent decision. My wife feels very comfortable on it, and it a great bike for me to develop my skills.

Nice overview

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I enjoyed reading this. Really informative with lots of detail.

Though one thing: you had an asterisk at the end of one sentence, yet I can't find where you're actually referring us to (maybe I'm just blind).

They say the mind is the first thing to go...

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But considering (after years of computer programming) I can't see tiny letters anymore, I think it may be the eyes ;) The very last sentence of the first section is what the asterisk was referring to:

*I haven’t worked on this using the back brake due to Texas’ motorcycle law that a complete stop “ain’t” a complete stop
unless both feet are down, so, all my practice has been done using the front brake for this maneuver.

Admittedly, it could have been a little clearer. Glad you liked reading it!

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Honda hornet

Do any of you think that a honda hornet would be a good first or second motorcycle. It has 600 ccs and that sounds like it is kinda like a sv650. Plus i think that it looks a lot cooler.

shadow vlx

does anyone think that the shadow vlx would be a good bike. I mean it has the same number of cc's as a s40 but price wise it is much more expencive. Does anyone think that the ninja 650r would be a decent begginer or second bike?

I found a S40 today. I

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I found a S40 today. I think a 2005 with 1000 miles. Asking 3499. What do you think of that price? I sat on it and loved it. If I can work on the price I think I will soon be a proud owner of a S40.

What was the top speed for you on the S40.

Pretty Good Price

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That's not a bad price considering the mileage but I'd try to get them to come down a couple hundred dollars or so...but that's just me :) I got my S40 to top out at around 82mph (I'm a pretty "stocky" guy).

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s40

My top speed on my s40 was about 85 mph. If you are looking for speed then get you a crotch rocket but if you are looking for a reliable and easy to work on bike that goes fast enough and is a bargain for the price get the s40. I put 4k this summer on mine and I love it more the more I ride it.

Size of S40 riders

I'm taking the Riders Edge course in a month, and just don't think I'll be able to fit on a beginners Sport Bike. 6'4", 250. Can the frame of the S40 fit someone like me?

Need to sit on it

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The only way to really tell is to sit on one and see how it feels. If you have long legs you might feel a little cramped. If they have a GZ250 at your training class try to get on that one as it has about the same dimensions as the s40.

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I'd second that. The best

I'd second that. The best way to see if a bike fits is to go out and sit on it. Thankfully shopping for bikes, atleast for me, is great fun. It can give you some disappointment though. I was really getting into the sv650s and was making plans. The I went out to size it. The seat was fine, I have yet to sit on a bike I can't easily flat foot with leg to spare. But when I leaned forward on the handlebar it just felt like too much of a reach for me, even with the salesman holding it up so I could put my feet on the pegs. I was kinda bummed out, especially since the salesman actually owned one and he started his up in the parking lot for me (oh man, did the v-twin with the pipes he had sound sweet).

I bought my wife a 2007 S40

I bought my wife a 2007 S40 with 3300 miles for $3,000. It is a hell of a beginner bike. She loves it. I am 6'3 and about 320 and I like to ride it around. Just cant see around me in the mirrors.

you'd be too big for it.

you'd be too big for it. Just to experienced riders course(msf) and they talked about big guys on smaller bikes and smaller guys on big bikes. You'd be much better off on a bigger bike not for power but for bike's length

S40 vs S50

Hi Bernie,

I too, recently made the jump from a Savage (S40) to an S50 ('06) and your write-up very closely parallels my own experiences with making the trasition from Suzuki's 650cc "One-Lunger" to their 800cc V-twin "Pony" ... first off, let me say that I absolutely loved my little '03 Savage ... perfect for my physical size (5"-4" @135lbs) and Riding style ... but a late model low milage S50 became available last Oct. for a price to good to pass up and well, here I am!
I am enjoying the S50 (it sure is a bit of a "high spirited" horse for sure), but like you am finding the extra 100lbs of weight intimidating during duck-walk manoeuvers and other close-quarter work ... in fact I've already dropped her once when I lost my footing on some sand, which resulted in a snapped-off rear turn signal light ... the extra power is also something that also like you I have to remind myself to be ever mindfull of ... the S50 like to run!
Suzuki's S50 boulevard is a much more substantial Bike than it's smaller stablemate the S40 and certainly a better highway Bike ... but lately, I find myself wondering if I did the right thing by selling the Savage and buying the S50 ... I don't enjoy highway Riding as much as I thought I would ... and with the cost of gas reaching the stratosphere, I just might consider selling the VS800 ... I wonder how I'd like a 250 Ninja?

S50 Size

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I haven't sold my S40 yet, although I plan to take pictures and post it this week, and I decided to take it out for a quick spin last night just for fun after riding for about an hour on my new bike. Man, just as much as I "felt" the extra weight when I first rode my S50 I really felt the lack of weight on the S40. Strange how that has changed...I almost felt like I was riding a bicycle ;) I will say it's a peppy, fun little bike with nice acceleration but I'm very much accustomed to my S50 now and feel very at home on it. I'm a little larger than you...5' 11'' and ~235 lbs and am fairly strong so I don't feel the intimidation from the weight. Perhaps a Ninja would be the bike for you...I just prefer the cruiser styling. Maybe it's down to a comment a young guy who was taking the MSF course with me said..."I don't know, maybe I'll get a cruiser one day when I'm old"...*sigh* ;)

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S50

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I bought the S50 in May. It is my first bike. I bought it on a whim. I took the motorcycle safety course on their bikes (honda rebel) so the s50 seemed very heavy in comparison. I rode it around the neighborhood for practice for about a week before I ventured out on the real roads. After I got comfortable with it I rose to work and back for the rest of May, then rode it Laughlin for bike week. It was great. It was a smooth ride compared to the practice bikes. It is a 4-5 hour ride from Phx. I felt exptremely vulnerable on the big highways, but the bike seemed to like it just fine!

LOL Bernie! I guess at 47 I

LOL Bernie! I guess at 47 I might qualify as "old" ... which might explain why I too prefer Cruiser styling! But, 99.9% of my Riding is around town, or country backroads ... and likely to become more commute oriented rather than pleasure alone ... the Vucan 500 might be just the ticket?

The Vulcan 500

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I've read nothing but good things about the Vulcan 500. In its class (the 500-650cc crowd) it's supposed to have the best acceleration of them all. I had thought about making it my first bike but the S40's I found were generally somewhere around a thousand dollars less and I figured for my first bike it made more sense. If the money part is not that much of an object I think the Vulcan 500 would be a fine choice.

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S40

I'm looking into buying my first bike and I definitely like the looks of the S40 / 50. I'm wondering though, because I have an opportunity to purchase an old BMW R50/2 from a friend at a great price, how these 2 bikes would compare to each other. I definitely like the looks of the classic BMWs more, but wonder if it's a good bike to start out on. I'm 6' 1" and about 175lbs and live in brooklyn, ny. I would mostly be riding off the freeway on trips upstate or to long island.

BMW R50/2 vs S40

The two bikes are different.

The BMW is a rather leisurely cruiser with a top speed of about 80, which it will do all day smoothly. Long mountain hills slow it a lot. I owned one and cruised the Sierra Nevada, Yosemite, California coast extensively. It is an old bike, and rubber and electrical parts will be a bit troublesome. Join an Airhead club, for sure.

The S40 is as described: reliable, quick, but not really fast in top speed. It is uncomfortable at full freeway speeds, which can run 75 mph in California and the Western states. It's a good idea to get the 2" gel seat, which relieves the bent knees a little, and also keeps your butt from getting numb. The bike is a joy in the twisties. If you weigh more than 160#, use the stiff setting on the shocks in back.

I've run about 3000 miles of twisties and occasional street and heavy freeway traffic. Perfect lanesplitter if you have the attention skills, only surpassed by my BMW K75S, which is NOT a beginner bike, nor is the S50.

Freeway cruising is a matter of conserving your physical resources and staying interested in the ride, not losing attention. Attention keeps you alive and interested. Same as every kind of vehicle driving.

S40 Mileage?

Hi,

what is expected gas mileage for s40. Also, I can't find the spec for maximum payload. How does it handle two people?

thks a bunch.

Gas Mileage

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I think I was getting in the area of 50-60 mpg.

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S40

I have just picked up a S40 (2005) it will be my wife's first bike. I rode it 50 miles to home and it was great fun. I think it will be perfect, she has sat on one and likes the look and weight. She has just passed the MSF course but is feeling nervous about the open road

I ride a BMW K1200S, from that ride today I will struggle to keep up with her !

S40...open road

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I just just bought my S50 in May. I can't speak for the s40 specifically, but they are very similar. I took mine to Laughlin and back for my first road trip and the bike has a lot of stability, even on the open road, and she probably has nothing to worry about. However, if she's not ready for the road trip, the bike she's riding shouldn't make a difference. I put in about 300 miles around town on my bike before taking a road trip on it, I suggest she does the same. I hope that helps.

backfire

Hello, I'm kicking the idea of getting an s40 or 50 but have read about back firing issues.
Has anyone had problems with this?

Backfire

I purchased an S40 about a month ago and at least a third of the time the bike backfires when I roll off of the throttle. Dealership told me there isn't much they can do.

I have never had a suzuki

I have never had a suzuki savage or s40 but I have done a lot of research because I may get one someday. From what I have read on the internet every savage and s40 backfire. I have also read that you can fix it my rejetting your carburator and adjusting the air fuel mixture screw. If you do a search for suzuki savage backfire problem or something like that you should be able to find out more. Hope this helps

S50

I've had my S50 for a little over a month now and LOVE IT!! She has only had a backfiring fit once...when I.....ummm.....ran out of gas. My search for a new bike (I haven't ridden in 10 years...we had a baby and I got rid of my GS450l commuter) led me to the S50 because of the weight and power. I checked out the honda shadows but they just felt like a heavy log between my legs and if I rolled on the throttle, such as to pass a big rig, I had to plan ahead. My S50 can get my 6' 1' frame ~250lbs around an obstacle or out of harm's way (darn Volvo drivers) with a twist...right now. I agree with a lot of what Uncle Bernie says and even have my own experiences I hope to add someday...maybe this winter...I'd rather be out riding than sitting at a computer (when the wife and 3 kids aren't keeping me busy). Speaking of sitting...if you are shopping for a bike you really should go sit on a few to check them out. Bernie is right...some would say I'm too tall for my ride, however, I've got a 33 inch inseam. My search took me to some of the motorcycle mega-stores in the Portland, Oregon metro area 'cause I thought they would be able to give me the best deal based on sales volume. I felt like I was at a car dealership and they didn't have my best interests at heart. I found a little shop down in Oregon City that answered all my questions and encouraged me to walk around the showroom to check out a couple of different models on my own (they didn't follow me around badgering me). If find one you like and are short on cash...ask if they have last year's model in a crate (backstock)...it saved me hundreds of $$$. Thanks for reading my ramblings...Ride On!

Suzuki s50

I got a Triumph Bonneville 4 yrs ago. It was my 1st bike back in the middle ages. Did the Honda etc thing after that. 10 yr hiatus & now 4 yrs on the Bonne. Been a GREAT bike & I love it!~! My son is gouing in the USCG in Aug & I was thinking of giving it to him as a promotion gift? As a replacement - I was considering the S-50? I would use it to ride all over & hopefully "not to worry"? Kinda "Ride it & put it to bed wet'? The Triumph wont survive that!! It seems as if it MAY handle as well as the Triumph (which is GOOD) in the twisties etc. my favorite part of riding. From the article- it appears as if the S50 will hold its own on the Hwy? It felt comfy in the showroom- I wonder how much on the road? I guess the question is- Will I be happy w/ the performance - handling on the S-50 after riding a Triumph Bonneville for 4 yrs??All opinions appreciated!

S-50

Just returned from a week-long trip riding the Blue Ridge Parkway - my first trip on my newly acquired S-50. It was great! At 5'2" and 135 pounds, it fits me to a T. I was very comfortable all week long and the bike took the curves of the twisty parkway like a champ. As with other comments I've read, she was very hard to start in the morning, but once warmed up, had no more problems starting her the rest of the day. I've never ridden a Triumph, so can't compare the two, but had a blast on the S-50! Rode a short distance on the interstate on the way home. I'm not an agressive rider, but was able to keep up with traffic. And I got 60+ MPG.

First Bike Choice

I've been looking at the S40 vs the s50 mostly because I really like the small frame and weight. I think I'd be much more comfortable knowing I can handle the weight. I checked them out in a great showroom nearby and found the s40 to actually feel a little small, slightly short that is. I found the s50 to be an excellent fit/feel, but I don't think I'm ready for that much power. Do you think it's best to get the right feel and adjust to the power or vice-versa? I'm a 5'8" 145lb. Thank-you!

Power, Weight, and Tourque, Oh My!

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I researched a lot before deciding what to buy and for quite a while I was set on a 250. After researching more and looking at the S40's weight, wheelbase, width, horsepower, etc it just seemed to me to be the perfect balance of weight and power for a first bike. If you open up the throttle on it wide, though, it'll take off. Make no mistake about it, it's a light bike but it's still got about twice the horsepower of a 250 and it's pretty darn peppy off the line. I had only ridden steadily for a little over three months (although I had ridden friends' dirt bikes and a few street bikes when I was younger) when I moved up to the S50. Even after I had gotten some street experience i was a little intimidated at first.

It's hard to say one rule fits everyone. My personal feeling though is, start with something like the S40, a Kawasaki Vulcan 500, something like that (although the vulcan 500 is about the same weight as the S50). Get into a good comfort zone and then move up once you're there. Then, you remove some of the mental impediments to riding a bigger machine and are probably more likely to remain up on two wheels. Just my two pesos.

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s40 Comfortable

I was sitting on some bikes on Saturday at my local dealer and the S40 was very comfortable. I'm 5' 4 and 140 lbs but it felt a nice size and the weight felt very manageable. They also had a Yamaha (750 I think) that felt much heavier and bulkier than the S40. Dealer didn't have a GZ250 but thats supposed to be a similar size so thats an option also. Also like the feel of the Rebel they have and a 250cc bike is more my price range than the S40. The S40 did make me smile though so it's a candidate if I can stretch the budget or find a used one. I sat on some sports bikes and didn't feel comfortable on any of them. To tall for me and they have a much higher center of gravity so feel heavier than the cruisers to me. Probably aren't but feel that way.

Re: s40 comfortable

You were commenting on the s40 and the rebel. Bot have the same seat height. My second bike is the Suzuki s40 and my first was the Honda rebel. I'm really enjoyed both bikes, I really miss the looks of the Rebel though. The rebel feels a bit wider to sit on, Both are great for small and/or beginner riders. I'm small 4'9 110lbs. Enjoy and ride safe.

Leslie

S40 at highway

Hi,

just curious, how is s40 at highway? Can it keep up with the traffic for smaller distances (1hr or so). What is maximum (comfortable) speed?

thks.

HIghway Riding on the S40

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The S40 can cruise steadily at 70 and you can squeeze more out of it but it really starts straining at 75 and above. Side winds can make the bike shimmy a bit which is not a huge deal, just something that can kind give you the "willies" a bit when you first encounter it. I rode my s40 120 miles one day and except for my butt being a bit numb from the seat it was fine ;)

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Daily runs.

The S40 has a small tank, and big mileage, so they balance out. Stop every hundred miles or so, walk around kinda energetically, etc. enjoy life. Watch out for the grimly set jaw, the "gotta get home soon' act.

They will bum you out. Enjoy your ride, relax, be the kid you intended to be. Get a 2" gel seat. Extremely good purchase. About a hundred clams. Just a big fat triangle of special wheelchair gel the same consistency as your butt. Very comfortable: the seat on the bike isn't good enough for cruising.

vulcan 500 vs. S50

I think it is clear that you would recommend the smaller bike for a first time rider. I am concerned that I will outgrow the bike in 6months. Does anyone have a sense of the top end power of the vulcan 500. If crusing at 70...would I be able to get out of traffic quickly if needed?

Thanks for a great review,

Thanks for a great review, Bernie. What kind of 'sissy bar' is that on the back of the S50?

new bike

This is a great topic, what bike would you recommend for me 6ft 3in,, 205 lbs. I have sat on alot of 750, many people have told me to go with at least 1000cc. I have never rode before,and next week I will be taking the MSF class from Cowboy Harley in Beaumont Tx. Has anyone taken this class there what should I be expecting. Thanks any input would be great.

Tall person bike: BMW 650 Single.

Check them out. Superb bike.

Suzuki S40 Boulevard Backfiring problem

Hi,
I was searching the web for some information on the Suzuki S40 I just recently purchased having backfiring issues on deceleration. Did you experience this at all when you compared the S40 to the S50, and what might be the cause? I just had it to a dealer where they charged me two arms and two legs to eliminate the problem but it is still doing it. Can anyone help? I really love getting back on a bike after being away for about 10 years but I'm ready to sell this bike if I cannot get rid of the backfiring problem. Thanks.
JoJo

Suzuki S40 Boulevard Backfiring problem

There is a great deal of information on it. You bought a BIG single Piston 4 stroke engine bike. A lot of GO Juice flows in the unused stroke. They say it happens most on downshifting. I guess you need to work it out yourself. I just bought one and should be picking it up tomorrow, it is my 7th bike. I have had 175 Yamaha, 500 single cylinder Honda Ascot, 650 KZ650, 400 Yamaha Custom, 650 Yamaha Maxim, 750 Yamaha midnight Maxim and now my Suzuki S40 Boulevard.

I had 2 Bikes that were single cylinder bikes. Highway riding the Ascot was not that much fun, but highway riding the big Yamaha's were a blast. The Ascot maxed out at around 90 miles an hour back when I was under 200 ponds.

I choose the 2008 S40 because of many factors, but the year end sales price was just too sweet to pass up $3,495 cdn (out the door for less than $4,900 NEW) . Many people trying to get that price for their 2005 LS650(S40) used. I also wanted all the features listed in the Pro's below.

PROs of the S40
Great Price these days
BELT Drive (clean and quite)
Single Carb
Easy on gas
Easy to maintain
Light and manoverable yet big enough for serious highway riding
backyard mechanics have a chance at maintaining it without to many fancy tools(valuable skills to learn)
Well balanced for a big single cylinder due to counterbalance
Barebones and simple
Helps keep money in your pocket(least expensive 650cc ( New ) out there

CONs
Need to know a bit about carbs and tuning an engine to get the most out of it
Backfires (when carb is stock)
Blues the pipe (if you do not know how to tune the carb right.)
Not the most powerfull or comfortable for long highway touring.
Barebones and simple

Every bike has it's pro and cons. Before you sell the bike, learn how to service it yourself. That is easier on the S40 than any other Rice Burner on the market today. Surf the net and see just how many people love to play with the bike. Get out there , Ride and Enjoy the charater of the Big 650cc single.

Mr. C (Riding 28 years)

Backfiring. Get a SuperTrapp muffler.

It gives a wonderful deep slurping sound on deceleration, and a controllable loudness on acceleration. Very deep bass punch if you tune it right. It has little plates, you take out plates to make it quieter, since each plate lets out a little more noise. I used about halfway, since I have neighbors I like.

Chug, chug in the driveway, burble burble, for a couple blocks, then ka-bang on the freeway ramp!

Delicious going down the twisties, varooooom, blurp blurp blurp. I do love to listen to big thumpers.

Leave the carb alone. It isn't a race bike. You'll just burn the pipe, and maybe the exhaust valve.

Suzuki S40 Boulevard Backfiring problem

Dear JoJo:

The stock setup for the Suzuki Boulevard S40s will cause them to backfire if you chop the throttle at highway speeds. They also "pfft" when the engine is stopped. The lean mixture is the result of trying to keep nasty hydrocarbons out of our precious breathing air. IMHO, the backfiring is not a "problem" -- a lean mixture means cleaner air and better fuel economy (it's great to get 60 m.p.g. when paying over $4.00 per gallon for fuel!). That said, there are carburettor modifications you can make to stop the backfiring and improve throttle response. Check out http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1104205157 .

Regards,
William

06' S50 : REAR SUSPENSION ADJUSTEMENT

Although this is not my 1st bike, it is one that I can not figure out how to loosen the rear suspension for a softer ride. I don't see the normal numbers indicated on it.... no apparrarant place for a tool.... and I am bouncing right off the seat at every significant bump. I'm sure there is an easy way... but I'm sure not finding it.

first bike

I know lots of people have asked this question, but I feel like I need to ask it myself. I just completed the rider safety course and am looking to get a bike. I have only ridden the CB125 that they provided for the class. I have been looking at the S40, and the Honda shadow 650. I have sat on both, but I feel much more comfortable on the S40. I like the weight compared to the Shadow. And I like the way it looks more than the shadow. Do you think the S40 would be a reasonable first bike for a 23 year old girl? I have only met one person who has an S40 but he loves it and told me its the best bike he has ever ridden. I'm not planning on taking it on any long road trips, just around town, to and from school. I have been trying to do as much research on the S40 as I can so I don't end up just buying the first thing that looks good to me.

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Alexis

A few thoughts for you

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You sound like me when I was looking for my first bike :) The S40 has some really good points going for it:

1) It only weighs about 50 pounds more than your standard 250 cruiser
2) It's a got a forgiving power band (I recommend going easy on the gas at first, full throttle is pretty speedy)
3) It's not bulky and you don't have to be a basketball player to put your feet flat on the ground
4) Suzuki has been making the engine for about 20 years now so mechanics know it well and the design is well-tested
5) Used models in good shape can be found for reasonable prices (at least here in the houston area)

It's a decent highway bike for short to medium range trips but tends to get blown around a bit in gusty winds at high speeds. Not horrible but it was something I had to get used to. Other than that, I did a lot of research before I bought mine and really had fun on it. I just found myself wanting something more powerful in a fairly short amount of riding time so I bought the S50 which I've loved riding. It's pretty darn fast and a kick in the ass to cruise down the highway on.

~He who laughs last didn't get the joke...

He who laughs last didn't get the joke...

Appreciate all this information!

So, I am not the only one thinking and being confused on which bike I want. The Rebel, the Nighthawk and now the S40. In fact, I hope to get to the dealer to look at another S40 tonight. My problem is that although I have evidence of my MSF training, I only hold a permit and dealers won't let me drive the bike as a trial run. (Indiana requires you to hold your permit for 30 days regardless of MSF training) How frustrating ! So, I could have my husband go in and test drive the bike to the nearest parking lot where I will be holding out...... I want a bike ' NOW '..... but I also want to test drive it too.

Any 'legal ideas?? : )

Does anyone know much bhp

Does anyone know much bhp does the S40 have? The Suzuki website does not have the power spec.

this is INTRUDER, not SAVAGE

this is INTRUDER, not SAVAGE in this picture

s50 for a tall guy

Hi,
I am in the process of buying a new bike and love the Suzuki S50 but am unsure if it will be 'right' for me. I am 6'2" 200 pounds and wonder if it is too small (i.e., leg room). Is there nyone 'out there' my size who owns one of these babies and, if so, what is your experience. I would like to thank all, in advance, for any insight.
Cheers,
John from Alberta, Canada

I have and Sportster and YIKES!!!

I just got my endorsement this summer and bought a 02 Sportster 1200Custom. I had everything modified to fit my 5'5" female body and I'll tell you what, as a 43 year old newbie, this bike takes ALOT of effort to turn. It just doesn't want to "dip" into the turns, especially at slow speeds. It's a beauty of a bike, but just not for me. I'm looking for something a bit easier to handle. It's not the weight of the bike, or the engine size, but the goeometry. Something about the combination of of the tall front tire (21") , the high center of gravity and the rake angle. It's just hard to manuever. Not a good choice.

Hmmm.. Who told you to get a

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Hmmm.. Who told you to get a 1200 as a first bike? You say it's not the weight or the power that you're having a problem with.. But my bet is an experienced rider could get it to "dip" into turns just fine.. If you like the cruisers I'd suggest either the Vulcan 500 or maybe even the V-Star/Virago 250 to start with.. Smaller bikes. Easier to handle for someone of your height.. But still enough speed to get you around town..

Dagger

I just want to make it out of this life alive...

I just want to make it out of this life alive...

most forgiving bikes

I have really enjoyed this forum and would like to place my 2 cents worth of information. I started riding back in 1984 on a suzuki gs 450l and have ridden and or owned a suzuki savage, ' 78 yamaha XS 1100, yamaha 750 virago , yamaha 500 virago, and a ' 81 yamaha XS 400. I am currently looking to purchase a yamaha FZ6 for myself and a Suzuki Boulevard S50 for my wife. I have found tha suzuki's controls are much more forgiving than yamaha's , along with the fact that my wife is only 5' tall, so it should be well suited for her and i to ride together. I was wondering if anyone out there has tried " disc brake quiet " for the front brake noise on the s50. A lot of Ford brakes in the past had the same issue and it worked quite well for brake noise. It is a simple "fix" , just spray it on the back side of each pad ( the metal part, if sprayed on the pad itself it will not stop. it has been done incorrectly before) the noise actually came from the caliper against the pad, not the pad to rotor contact. If anyone tries this please write back to let us know if it worked. Never had an EFI bike before so a lot of the other forums that complain about the cold start issue need to get over it. welcome to old school, patience is still a virtue even in these days that we live in. It takes me a little while to warm up to start my day. Enjoy the ride and be careful out there. Kudos to this forum. Later, Jon D.

Quiet S50 Brakes

I'm not sure about the spray, but CRC Disc Brake Quiet (the red goopy stuff that comes in a little plastic bottle) works like a charm. You just brush it on the back of the pads. While you're at it, a set of sintered EBC pads (part # FA103HH) will noticeably improve your stopping ability. Changing out the pads on an S50 is simple. Mine were squeaking too. It's a Suzuki thing. Fortunately it's an easy fix. New pads with the brake quiet stuff on there and presto -- silence! There's all kinds of tips and advice at www.intruderalert.com.

quiet brakes

Thanks for the answer and the link. It should come in very handy in the near future as the wife and I prepare for this new endeavor. I will admit that I am probably more excited than she is but we will make it through with flying colors. She is a bit apprensive about new things, but being able to work out the bugs of the S50 will be of benefit. Ride safe... Jon D.

I've owned both...

For a first bike the Suzuki Savage (S-40) is hard to beat. The very low weight (352 lbs) and small overall size isn't much more than a 250cc machine. If most of your riding is around the city - it's almost perfect. The low end torque being a big 650cc single really comes into play. Theres plenty of low end power for pulling away from a stop light. Yep it backfires... Folks behind you may think you are shooting at them. (smile) Really, it's not that bad... The solution is to get a jet kit and have the bike rejetted and a high flow air filter. I kept the stock pipe. This will cost you between $275 and $300 but is very well worth it. Will make it quicker and eliminate the backfire. It also warms up quicker. It is a fun little bike with or without the jet kit.

The 805cc Intruder (S-50) is also a small bike for a 800 Cruiser. Example... the 883 Harley weighs a honest 120 pounds more! (565 versus 443). The S-50 is a little hot rod. I purchased it because a shoulder injury prevented me from driving my 500 Ninja sportbike. This bike is quick enough where I don't miss the Ninja at all. On the highway it goes 65mph without the vibration of the S-40. At 65mph it has lots of additional power for passing. The S-40 does not.

The S50 will cost over $2,000 more than the S-40. If speed (quickness), a lot of 2 on riding (passanger) , and highway driving is your thing it's money well spend. If most of your driving is in the city and about 50 mph or so, to be honest the S-40 will get you there just as well.

Both bikes have been around for 20+ years. Depending on your needs and riding style you really can't go wrong with either bike. Have fun...

S40 vs 500LTD vs 250 Ninja

I've been reading all of these posts and have a couple of comments. First of all I'm not a total beginner, but, I haven't logged many miles (less than 1000). I haven't ridden for a couple of years.
I have sat on both the Suzuki S40 and the Kawasaki 500 LTD. I find both pretty nice fits. The extra weight on the 500 might do better for longer rides on the interstate though. I have also been looking at Youtube quite a bit and came across the Ninja 250. They show the Ninja 250 going from 0 to 80 in what seems to be less than 7 or 8 seconds.
Now for my question: How does the S40 and 500Ltd compare to the Ninjas' speed on the highway? Will they get up to speed that quickly? Will the revs on the S40 and 500 be less (since the Ninja seems to be an extremely high reving engine!, which might get a little old hearing for a longer ride!! Is the Ninja engine ok to do that for long extended rides? Wouldn't the, hopefully less revs on the S40/500 be a little more relaxing on their respective engines?
Thanks
Kevin

s40, 500 Vulcan, 250 Ninja

Hi Kevin- I've owned a S40 (650 Savage), and have friends with the 250 Ninja and 500 Vulcan. Any of these bikes are great for driving on main roads up to 60 or 65 mph. They are all fun machines. However, if you plan to go faster, or sometimes interstate, the 500 Vulcan is the way to go. The weight and power to a degree work against the little 250 Ninja for the highway. I have a friend that has done I-94 in Michigan and hit the 100mph mark on his 250 Ninja. The bike is capable - but it is so very light, I wouldn't do it. The 650cc S-40 also is very lightweight and WILL vibrate at interstate speeds. It has 5 gears and is geared lower for low to mid-range power. At 70 mph it won't have much power left in case of a driving emergency. The 500 Vulcan or 500 Kaw. Ninja (I've owned that) have the engine size, the weight, and the 6th gear. Both of these bikes I would say is the minimum I would ride on the interstate with. On the Ninja 500 driving 70 mph was stress free. The 500 Vulcan is simular in power and performance using a slightly less powerful tuning. It also weighs 50 pounds more than the 500 Ninja. Again, if most of your driving is 60 mph or so any of the bikes you mentioned will be a blast.
-Tony

Thanks Tony!! It is

Thanks Tony!! It is really starting to get to me- not being able to decide on the correct bike for me. I like the seating position on the S40 and Vulcan 500 (I think the 500 would be, just like you say, better on the superslab). But, there is just something about the Ninja 250 and 500 that appeals to me (the older ones). I think it is the placement of my feet on the pegs of the 250 and 500 ninja that gives me a more secure feeling. That might not be a deal breaker though. The other thing I like about the ninjas' is the fact that they have more in the cockpit area (tach, trip odo, etc). The small amount of forward lean isn't too bad (can be corrected by bar risers). Also, I guess you would call it "flickability" in the ninjas vs. the S40 and Vulcan 500. The S40 though has a worry-free belt! The Vulcan 500 and Ninjas have chains. I don't hate the looks of any of these, in fact, they all look pretty good!!! The S40 has a small gas tank. The others are larger (less worry about fill-ups).
Price---- used--- all are within my budget, but the older Ninjas are probably the cheapest right now. I've been to all the websites and they all say that all these bikes "can" be used for shorter touring if necessary!
I think the one thing that is really important to me is the fact that the S40 and Vulcan 500 can have windshields installed were it has more wind protection than the others (ninjas) even with the larger screens. You see, I've always had a large shield that I can just look over, and to do that on the Ninjas, it would have to be pretty long (given the angle). So, more protection from the wind, debris (very important to me!). I can't decide if that is a deal-breaker or not!! This is a big question!
In reality- any one of these bikes would probably put a big smile on my face, but, I would like to pick the correct one first and not have to up-grade later!!! I know I don't need anything more powerful than the Ninja 500 (which I think is a bit more than the S40 650 single).
Decisions, Decisions, Decisions!!!!!
Thanks Again!
Kevin

Your first bike won't be your last...

Kevin:

I hate to say this but it might take you many years and several bikes before you settle on "the bike".
In 4 years I've owned in order
Buell Blast 500
Suzuki Savage (S40) 650cc
traded them both in for a new 650cc V-Star (Yamaha) Classic
traded that in for a Honda Shadow Sabre 1100cc

purchased a 500 Ninja and because of a shoulder injury traded that in for the 800cc Intruder (S-50)

Likely the bike you purchase you won't have in 3 or 4 years. I have a friend that is on his 5 bike in even less time! Because of their performance the little 500 Ninja or 500 Vulcan might be your best bet. Regarding the chain drive, when you take the bike into the dealer every 4000 miles or so - they can oil the chain. It's really not a problem.
BTW - The 500 Ninja and Vulcan will destroy the 650 Suzuki S-40 Savage. The 650 V-Star is also VERY disappointing in speed. If you sit or drive on the S-50, - for a cruiser, this is the fastest bike I own and even the 1100cc Honda Shadow Sabre can't keep up with it. The little S-50 weighs no more than the 500 Vulcan (443 versus 439). Don't rule it out ... If the size worries you, and worries you a lot, the Savage S-40 weighs almost 90 pounds less at 352. I really liked the Savage just don't plan on doing a ton of Interstate riding. If your looking to buy a used bike -the 600 Honda Shadow (583cc) has Honda quality. Check it out as well. You are right, there are a lot of nice bikes out there... Let me know what you do get! Miles of smiles on your bike.
Tony

S40

I have been riding for a little while, I had a Honda 750 it was a little heavy for me being 5ft 3 in I had to nearly tiptoe to balance it. I did not like that at all. However I could not complain I won it in a bet. Anyway I found the S40 about 6 months ago. The fit feels well suited to me. And I have to agree with you on the bike. Now all I need is to dress it to match my personality. Hey can you give me any suggestion on the mounts and saddlebags maybe on finding a higher back rest. Ok I will keep this little treasure for about a year and then upgrade to a little more power, upgrading will depend on the right fit (comfort and size.)

upgrade from S-40 on day

Hi Tess:
Should you move up in power, most of the cruisers today are stretched out bikes (big). If you want more power one day but don't want a monster to drive -your limited. My sister has a heavy 565 pound Harley 883 and has dropped it 3 times at slow or stopped speeds. She is 5'2 and about 115.

The s40 can be modified with a jet kit (carbs), H.O. air filter and a new pipe. This will add about a significant performance improvement.

The only smaller type cruisers (Jap or USA) with a big increase in power over what you have would be the Suzuki S-50 (Intruder 800) and the Kaw. Vulcan 500.
-Tony

S40 and your ride needs

What bike will work best for you is dependent on a lot of factors. If you plan to ride a lot on freeways at speeds above 65 mph, the S40 is probably not a good choice. If you ride mostly in town with occasional rides at 55-60 mph, it is a great choice. I have owned two Savages (aka S40), a 1996 and a 2001, and may buy my third one today (a 2006 with only 140 miles on it).

Heavier bikes are more stable at highway speeds, but you pay for that weight when you are maneuvering around parking lots/city streets t low speed.

If you don't re-tune the carburetor, Savages backfire, period. It doesn't seem to hurt them though.

Awesome Review

Thanks for the wonderful article on the S50. In my 3 years of riding I have owned a Suzuki Burgman 400cc scooter, a Honda Rebel 250 (for a couple of months with almost no riding - just too weak and cramped), a Vstar 650 (too stretched out for me - short rider - so I sold it in the fall) and my current ride - Ninja 250. I have logged several thousand miles on the Ninja and love the bike. But, for road trips, I like a cruiser. Before buying the Vstar, I considered the S50 but thought it looked a little small (more of a standard I guess than a big honking cruiser like the Vstar though that bike had less power). Well, after trying to reach the pegs comfortably on the Vstar, I now know the standerd cruiser is for me. So I have begun my search for a used S50/Intruder.

Your article told me exactly what I needed to know - that although the S50 is not a "huge" bike, it has the kind of power and acceleration I need. Now I know it will be my next bike. Thank you so much!

S50 versus 650 V-Star

MJ
I owned a 650 V-Star Classic and was maybe the best looking bike I'll ever own. Was Pearl White. I now own a 805 Intruder / S50. After driving the V-Star, the S-50 will feel, and is, VERY Quick. Night and day... Engine vibes are much less on the Suzuki at 60-65 mph as well. The Suzuki won't get the raves from others like the V-Star did, but for actual driving there is no contest.
Tony

I just bought a 2006 S40 two

I just bought a 2006 S40 two weeks ago with 4,000 miles. I am 5'6", 150 lbs. and plan to do a lot of NC backroad cruising so it is a great bike for me. It is in mint condition and seems to run great but I am noticing some blueing on the pipe at the engine. Is this normal or can something be done?

S40 vs S50

I just bought a 1999 Kawasaki Vulcan 800. It's my first...one for the price ...two for the price...but really it looks great and runs fine. It's only been 27 days, but around me the roads are 40mph and 30mph. I also have been doing a lot of parking lot low speed practice. I'm 5'-11 and 165lbs, bike does'nt seem heavy at all... especially after the parking lot practices. So far so, good. I have not yet been on freeway only been riding a few months ...and as I said only been an owner 27 days. I'll be in touch.

Those were very subjective reviews.

I question the reviews choice of words that an S40 is simply a beginners bike. Really the choice of a persons bike not only takes into account his experience, it also takes into account rider weight and height, additionally the type of riding that he will be doing (freeway, surface streets, urban. country, etc.) In short, selecting a bike is a matter of what issues you a trying to resolve. If you are a person of shorter stature, ride primarily on suburban streets, and have no need to impress yourself or friends with dazzeling speed, then an S40 may be the right choice for you regardless of riding experience. The notion that you are "moving up" by getting a larger displacement bike make in some cases be hogwash (pun intended.) Have you seen the pro on the race track riding hyped up 250's. Why have they not "moved up"? Displacement and weight are a matter of individual choise and can only loosely be related to experience in riding. Experienced riders may enjoy the mobility and agility and gas savings that a smaller lighter bike offers. I personally have a large 1 liter freeway cruiser. What do I end up riding most of the time? The bike that I'm crazy about, my little tractor, the S40. Before you listen to the blue collar pissing contest ethic that bigger is always better, I'd consider the needs of my individual situation. Yes the S40 is a good beginners bike, and it is also an excellent choice for those are experienced riders who primarily ride surface streets (or highways, not freeways) who are interested in having fun on a economical, lightweight cruiser with pazzaz.

MD