Suzuki sv650 a good starter bike?

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I am 20 years old, 6' and 200 lbs. I am a very quick learner and also very responsible. I am not the type to let and ego get in the way or just plain act stupid on a bike. I want to spend about $3000 on a bike but I will be with this bike for awhile. This is why I'm leaning toward the sv650. It will be mostly for short commutes however on the weekends I would love to toss my gf on the back and hit the highway for awhile (with more experience of course). I am sceduled for my msf class next week do it's not
like i'm just hopping on this thing. Anyways please help with suggestions.
Bikes considered:
gs500
sv650
zzr 600
gsxr600
cbr600

thanks in advance for the help.

Good beginner bike?gs500 -

Gary856's picture

Good beginner bike?

gs500 - perfect.
sv650 - not really, but if you have to...
zzr 600 - absolutely NOT!
gsxr600 - absolutely NOT!
cbr600 - absolutely NOT!

The same question has been asked and answered thousands of times. Check out the links on the right side under "Recommended Reading" - "Why 600ccs is Too Much!", "Beginner Motorcycle Guide". Also, check out the "Motorcycle Reviews" link on top of this page, find reviews on gs500 and sv650 and read user comments.

+1

On the ZZR, GSXR and CBR, those are full blooded sport bikes that are basically *slightly* detuned race bikes. Bad idea for a newer rider.....

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Nate
2007 SV650

It's not about getting somewhere, it's about going somewhere.

Good? Maybe.

I'm one who started out on a SV650s. I had an advantage that I'd been road bike (bicycle) riding and racing for MANY years, so I kind of already had the built-in hazard radar, so really mostly had to worry about operating the bike itself and not so much on learning to watch for traffic, etc. BUT... I rode my SV before taking the MSF class. Smart? Maybe not. I survived, and got a good dose of respect for the throttle in the process. After taking the class on a Honda 250 Nighthawk, I was second-guessing my choice of bikes.

No doubt I made learning to ride more difficult on myself by starting out with the bike I did. I've been lucky in that the only drop I've had was a no-speed corner when I killed the engine and set it down real easy.

I have rode some dirtbikea

I have rode some dirtbikea but nothing bigger than a 250. No racing experience or anything like that, just having fun with buddies ndo u u think the sv650 is too much? U hope it's not because I love that bike and know that it is something I would like to keep for a period of time. Also would like enough power for a passenger on the highway. I appreciate the help on getting informed before making this desicion.

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Good starters...

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The GS500 is a good starter bike, even two up. I weigh 275lbs and am 5'11" tall, and the GS500 I ride still gets up and goes...I'm not in anybodys way...0-60 is around 6 seconds with me on it, that's Mustang GT territory. The Kawasaki EX500 (Ninja 500) would be another choice in the same bracket, except the Ninja is a little faster. If you get an older GS500E, they are naked and look similar to the SV650 without having that much power...I beleive the SV650 does 0-60 in under 4 seconds. That's pretty quick for a beginner bike.

Just remember, a used bike will hold it's value pretty good so having to upgrade next year isn't as big of a deal as you may think. You will probably be able to re-sell your learner bike for what you pay, or very close to it.

PS I wouldn't recommend going two up until atleast your second riding season...get used to riding the bike and learn the skills required, then add to the difficulty...

Good Luck!

** If you're not having fun, you're doing it WRONG...**

Riding since May 2010...
Fuelly

Good advice

i was unaware of the fact that the resale value was so good. Thanks for the advice =( i REALLY love that sv650 though, we'll see. And i wouldn't have riding seasons. I live in southern cali where we are blessed to have riding season year round. This would be my everyday bike year round. on another note, I was hoping to be able to go two up after like 6 months of continuos riding..... Is this a bad idea?

I started riding on a 1999

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I started riding on a 1999 BMW F650, I'm 5'10" w/32" inseam, I didn't flatfoot while standing over the bike, I also managed never dropping the bike on pavement.. only while riding in the dirt.

IMO, SV650 is a great bike to start, especially in SoCal where highway speed on a bike is somewhat important. I'd avoid the 600 class sportbikes for beginners.

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How it will be ridden...

....needs to be considered.

You say that you are planning on doing mostly highway riding, so perhaps the a bike with a fairing would be better. I was surprised at the wind pressure on my first ride on my SV650 yesterday. Simply, a fairing reduces wind pressure. Also, according to a few survey's I've read (sorry, don't remember which), a full fairing makes you more visible.

You already have two good choices in the GS500F and the SV650. Madjak suggested the Ninja 250R and 500R, which are good bikes from what I've read. Another choice if you want bigger bike is the Ninja 650R.

My suggestion is to figure out what you NEED in a bike, what you WANT in a bike and what WOULD BE NICE to have. Then take that and look at the bikes, sit on a few and see what feels best. Be willing to sacrifice the 'would be nice' for a bike that fits better.

The main reason I bought the SV was that it was a better deal ($$$) than the Ninja I was looking at. On my first ride I found the SV to be jerky and temperamental below about 2k RPM. But the torque that made it a little rough low, pulled me from 40 to 70 in a heartbeat, without a shift; which makes it great for passing on the HWY.

The good thing is that in the $3000 range there are a TON of used bikes that are beginner friendly.

Have fun, good luck, ride safe and I hope I haven't added to the confusion.......
Nate

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Nate
2007 SV650

It's not about getting somewhere, it's about going somewhere.

On the jerkiness and temperament...

Making a TPS adjustment (look it up on Canyonchasers -- it's free and totally within the abilities of even the most ham-fisted mechanic) will make a big difference in the low-speed charactistics of the SV. Add a Crampbuster, and I think you'll find the bike a lot easier to handle at low speeds.

Also, don't forget clutch modulation.

Thanks

Thank you for the suggestion. I did remember the clutch modulation, but at first it was sloppy. I figured it out after a while :-)

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Nate
2007 SV650

It's not about getting somewhere, it's about going somewhere.

Thanks every1. You're all

Thanks every1. You're all helping alot. I love this website.

The fact that you were

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The fact that you were considering the 600cc fours tells me you either have not done any research on good beginner bikes or you are not as responsible as you think you are.
I think getting a used 500cc or smaller bike to learn on is the best way to go. As mentioned they are easier to learn on and less likely to get you into trouble. And by buying used you can sell it after you get some more experience for nearly what you paid.
The SV is a great bike and something you can learn on but its not the easiest bike to start on. I think the SV650S will just make the process harder as it has a more aggressive riding position.

Craig

I don't mind a harder

I don't mind a harder learning process as long as it's with the right bike. I understand it will be harder but I think it will pay off in the long run. Thanks for the advice.

gregj I wouldn't confuse the

gregj I wouldn't confuse the phrase "a harder learning process" with the phrase "a more dangerous learning process". For some (and you may well not be in this category) an SV650S can be dangerous.

Things happen in a heartbeat when you first begin to ride....you don't often get a second chance to correct a BIG mistake that your surprised to have made in the first place. A torquey, quick bike just speeds that process up.

What ever you decide here's hoping you remain safe through your learning process and beyond :)

Thanks Joseph

Thanks Joseph

Sounds like you have a lot to

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Sounds like you have a lot to think about. :) Wait until after you have taken the MSF to make up your mind, and be sure to sit on the bikes you are considering.

With respect to Joseph's comment regarding a harder vs. a more dangerous learning curve, a bigger bike is going to be both. If you are having alot of trouble learning how to use the clutch in your MSF class, seriously consider going with a smaller bike. It will pay off in the long run.

I started with a Suzuki S40 (a 650 cruiser) and seriously considered after the first two weeks moving back to a smaller bike and throwing a sheet over my Thumper until I got the hang of riding. I didn't do that in the end, but with the perfect clarity of hindsight, I would have done it differently the second time around....

You're right owlie. But for

You're right owlie. But for the record a 650 S-40 (albeit a great little bike) is as far away from an SV 650 as is possible in the motorcycle world.

The 1st bike I ever rode was a Savage. If Greg is interested in a Savage (S-40) I'm all for it :)

A 650 sport bike ie: SV-650 or a gixr 650 or even a Ninja 650........as my father would say is a whole "nother" ball game!!

All of which only makes my

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All of which only makes my point stronger. :)

650 twins should be the most

650 twins should be the most aggressive options you consider! Like others have said, forget about the gixxer or the cbr. Seriously, they won't offer you anything! You will be able to ride faster, harder, and have more fun on a powerful bike you can actually control. :)

Some folks recommend staying away from an sv650 as a first bike. I would say, this is your call, but realize that sv650 or ninja650r should be treated as your "I'm going balls out!" options, and drop anything more powerful off your list. That said, I'm glad I started on a ninja 650, and very glad I didn't get a 250 or 500. It's all about an honest assessment about your own habits and control. A 650 will have more power than you can use - at least for a while. Can you respect that? When you start to lose control or make a mistake, will you be able to stay calm and recover?

I had ridden a powerful stick shift car for years, and I know that I'm able to stay calm in panic situations, like sudden loss of control on snow/ice. I also have a ton of friends who ride who gave me basically a private MSF class before I went on the road. On top of that, I live next door to a dmv that had the skills test painted in the parking lot, and spent hours and hours practicing. When I got my license, I got a perfect score. This is after hearing from lots of folks with years of riding experience that they didn't think they could even pass the test on a 650. In addition, I watched hours of safety/skills videos on youtube, and I'm about halfway through reading Proficient Motorcycling.

All that said, I still made the following mistakes when I was learning:

1.) first lesson on the ninja: target fixation in a turn. rode straight off the parking lot onto the grass. stayed calm, and rode it back onto the pavement.
2.) parking lot cone weave + U-turn practice. Stopped the bike in the middle of a slow turn on a hill, and couldn't get it back up. Had to let it down on the frame sliders and then pick it back up
3.) first or second street ride with a friend. started too soon behind him at an intersection taking a left turn at a light. in trying to recover, accidentally did a BIG clutch wheelie. I had already watched vids about how to handle wheelies so I gently rolled off the throttle, set the wheel back down, and took my turn.

You won't know the crazy shit that you will do until you do it. When it happens, what protective gear will you be wearing? What will your emergency responses be? Will you be calm enough at all or will you freak out and lock up the rear brake, then release it and high-side? It's hard to answer those questions about yourself at age 20, imo. But if you can, then 650 may be for you! Good luck :)

thanks for info overtime.

thanks for info overtime.

Be careful of overconfidence

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You can do all the preparation for riding a motorcycle that you want. I'm like you, Overtime, in that, especially during the first few months I was riding, had my brained locked on motorcycles the whole time. I watched every internet video I could find, read every book, browsed all the forums. I "knew" what to do if the front wheel of my bike got light, or if the rear wheel started to spin. If you managed to tame a surprise wheelie with throttle control on your first go, you're a lucky man, but most people aren't. Knowing what needs to be done and being able to do it perfectly as a reflex reaction are two completely different things.

I'm not saying you shouldn't do all those things and read all those books. That's great! It gives you a great idea of the ins and outs of riding before you even start. But it's no guarantee of immediate success, and as you said, Overtime, tons of practice is still required. Don't think that you'll necessarily be a better rider than somebody else because of any reading or video watching you've done prior to starting to ride.

And one more thing, and I promise I'm not trying to pick on ya (^_^). I hear this all the time, and it drives me nuts, so I just have to point it out: daily commuting in a "powerful" car gives you NO benefit when you start trying to ride. None. If you raced cars, that might help you understand certain things about traction and smoothness, but the 2-wheel vs. 4-wheel thing would throw you for a loop anyway. You can spin the wheels on a car without worrying about anything happening. A momentary slide is usually easily recoverable, depending on the car. On a bike, especially when you're new, slide ==> crash. Cars don't lean. Motorcycles do. It's a completely different ball game. It's like saying you should skip basic training with the Marines because you have an AR-15 at home.

I did some auto racing before coming to bikes,

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and it didn't really help me at all. Of course, that's mostly because I'm not a very good driver, but the point is well taken I think.

I think with me, all the new, motorcycle-specific stuff I had to learn crowded out anything I might have used from my automobile experience. About the only place where it helped was an understanding of lines in turns, something key to motorcycle riding, but not really known to your average driver.

To expand on eternal's point, in cars (barring a Veyron or whatever at triple digit speeds perhaps) bad things happen a lot slower than they do on motorcycles. Car crashes seem to happen almost in slow motion, but a bike going down happens in a split second.