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After reading the Chris Young article…
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February 18, 2008 at 6:20 am #1203SuperMotoRiderParticipant
After reading the Chris Wong article, I wanted to post this for everyone that think they’re experienced enough to ride without gear.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6850227e8c
Imagine this rider without gear… The unexpected always happens. Prepare, Prevent, adn Protect.
Ride safe everyone.
February 26, 2008 at 7:07 am #5091KickprivateParticipantI want to add. If someone doesn’t want to lay down because it hurts. DO NOT EVER force them to lay down unless they are not wearing a helmet and have a very bad head wound. (You need to aire on the side of caution when dealing with someone who has sustained a very bad head injury) You need to just sit behind them and let them sit. You will notice that they will calm down and stop squirming a lot quicker then 5 people telling them to lay down. The person in pain is going to find the safest position. If you feel the person is injured, you should do your best to keep them sitting down.
If you can take charge, tell someone to sit behind the injured person. This way they don’t have to lay down, but they have the option to lay back. You also want to note the state of alertness that Bob here is in. Is Bob talking straight or is he mumbling? Is Bob trying to talk with his eyes closed?
Again if you can take charge here are some questions you want to ask the person.
What’s your name?
This is very basic, but is very crucial to keeping the person alert. For this example lets say the persons name is Bob. You want try to use this persons name in all the questions you ask to help promote awareness.Bob are you seeing any stars?
This is the *Dazed and confused effect*. You want to ask them because if they are still seeing stars they may still be dazed from the impact.Bob do you feel tired of thirsty?
This is a great one to establish. You can really kill two birds with one stone. Sometimes with broken or fractured bones and head and back injuries the person may feel tired and thirsty. This is can be a good sign of things to come.Bob where do you feel pain?
If they can’t tell you, its for good reason. The adrenalin pumping through the body is preventing them from feeling the pain just yet. If they can, make sure you note it and continue with the questions.Bob do you feel heat anywhere on your body?
When you scrape your knee, it can feel very warm. When you break a bone, you may also feel this heat. Adrenalin in some cases may not block this heat.Bob do you feel wet on any part of your body?
The wet feeling can come from slight bleeding under the skin for instance when you break a bone.If Bob here cannot provide information to the EMT’s you need to. However you also need to keep it short and sweet. Say Bob just got hit by a car while riding along at 20 miles per hour. Bob rolled on the ground a few times before coming to a stop. Bob says that his knee feels warm and wet and is experiencing pain. Bob feels tired and thirsty. Bob also expresses feeling of pain when he tries to lay down.
Talking to the EMT’s may go something like this.
This is Bob, Bob complained of feeling thirsty and tired and is having trouble keeping his eyes open. Bob is also complaining about pain is knee where it feels warm and wet. When I arrived on scene the scene Bob was sitting but having trouble keeping his eyes open. However Bob was talking to us.
Thats it, You told them his name, how he is feeling and his level of awareness to what is going on. You also just told them everything that Bob told you. They are going to ask these questions again because they need to find out what medical treatments to give Bob here.
Taking of Bobs Gear is something that I should share with you guys. There are limits to what you can do to help Bob take his gear off. For instance, if Bob wants to take his gloves off, you should more then help him take if gloves off. However if Bob wants to take his helmet off I highly suggest that you discourage that. If Bob wants to take off his helmet then let him do it. He is going to know when there is pain and when he should stop. You are not.If Bob wants to take his jacket off, let Bob take it off. However you can support this by helping him slowly roll his arms out.
Here is something you can do!
Sit on the ground with your riding jacket on. Try to remove it slowly and easily. Do it again until you can do it with ease and without thinking.This is as much as I have experienced in this flesh. I was recently in a wreck myself and remember in very vivid detail the accident and the aftermath. I was turned into by a car which hit me off my bike. I rolled 10-20 feet in opposite lanes of traffic before coming to a stop.
This is where I want to share with you the type of emotions, feelings and things I had running through my head.
I got up and walked to the side of the road while removing my helmet, my eyes filled with stars so much that I couldn’t barely see. When I got to the side of the road I just hit the ground. A very kind lady in which I will never forget her words told me to lay down as she kneel in front of me. I started to lay back and felt a very strong warmness in my shoulder. She told me to lay back again to which I replied I could not. She sat behind me and I instantly fell back against her. I was barely able to keep my eyes open and talking I did not do. I mumbled She started asking me questions which kept me awake. I remember trying to keep my eyes open and seeing stars still. My eye lids felt very heavy.
She would constantly ask me questions. How do you feel? Can you tell me your name? As I lay against her I felt very secure and calm which is exactly what you want feel and convey. She had a very very calm voice and wasn’t talking like a panicked person.
After a few minutes I stood up to take my jacket off, I removed my left arm; As I went to remove my right arm pain shot through my body almost bringing me to my knees. I took of my jacket and instantly went right back to the arms of the person that had sat behind me.
During the first few minutes of the crash. I wasn’t able to think clearly. I had to much going on in my mind and i thank god for this person picking up the slack and keeping a cool head. After I had taken my jacket off I really began to understand what had happened. I was able to keep my eyes open, think a bit more clearly and start interacting with the people that were helping me. After I regained my thoughts I started checking for areas of pain. One of my first objectives where to get my boots off. I wanted to started checking for pain my feet and work my way up. I had also known that my right foot had been pined between the car and the bike.
Luckily there was a cop on scene when it happened so he was able to make sure I was getting care and was able to call for a ambulance.
Ride safe people. Please remember preparing for a accident goes beyond preparing for the worst. Prepare for the aftermath also. I was very lucky to walk away with a fractured clavicle and nothing more. I had full gear head to toe on. If you are involved in a crash, go to the hospital promptly. Not the next day, not two months from the time of the accident. Directly after is when you should go. If you have any doubt of your medical safety after the accident, take the ambulance ride. Money is not a issue when there is a chance they you may be injured.
Also please realize that I am not a expert on these things. I have seen very many crashes in the short twenty years I have been on this rock and have a bit of experience including my first in the flesh experience. Please use extreme caution when dealing with a motorcycle accident and car accident victim. Keep a cool head and try to stay calm.
Lastly, what you can tell the 911 dispatcher is just as important in what you can tell the EMT’s.
Yours only,
KickprivateFebruary 26, 2008 at 7:07 am #5092KickprivateParticipantEnjoy my book. Discuss!
February 26, 2008 at 3:22 pm #5093swedeParticipantI personally think all people should take a CPR / first aid class, knowing what to do, and how to handle injured people in the event of an accident could literary mean the difference between life or death. However, taking one class isn’t enough, as one tend to forget and mix up with time, so taking a follow-up class every now and then is a good idea.
I had about three weeks of medical training and then drills every week for two years to keep the knowledge fresh. Most of that is forgotten now, only two years later.
To tell an encounter were I wish I would’ve had that knowledge, should I’ve arrived there first:
It was about five-six years ago. I got there just after the crash had taken place, a car and a motorbike with a married couple on it. They were both on their back’s, with the man calling out to his wife, and I remember the despair in his voice, and his desperate attempts to crawl using only his arms over to his wife who wasn’t moving or making any sound. It felt so surrealistic and unreal in some way.There were already people in place to assist and since I really didn’t know what to do I asked if anyone had called the emergency service’s, someone said they’d made the call and rescue was on it’s way. I decided to stay and keep a lookout for the ambulance. Time seemed to run like glue, and eventually I decided to give a call myself to check why the ambulance didn’t show up, turns out they’d gotten the location wrong, but after another 10-15 minutes, both firetrucks, ambulances and police showed up. Can’t tell you how relieved I was, and how effective they were at their jobs, sealing of the road, routing traffic around, and lighting the whole scene up in less than a minute.
Turned out that the couple on the motorbike were parents to a friends classmate, and they got away with just broken bones and some bruising. Nevertheless it was one of the most horrifying scenes I’ve ever witnessed.
So drive safely and do what Kick tells you.
February 26, 2008 at 7:32 pm #5095BenParticipantWowzers, thats quite the post kickprivate! Very sound advice
Ben
~Best Beginner Motorcycles AdminFebruary 27, 2008 at 10:27 am #5102KickprivateParticipantI’ve decided that because of this post I may as well just share with you guys my story of what happened. However you should know that it is very thorough and very long going into detail on just about everything I can remember. It will be done in a couple days.
I expect it to be around 9 pages of information if you guys are interested let me know.
Kick
February 27, 2008 at 4:59 pm #5103swedeParticipantI would definitely read it, sharing is caring!
February 28, 2008 at 5:41 am #5105KickprivateParticipantFrom the time she was driving to the time of point of impact can anyone tell me what she wasn’t doing and what she did wrong?
Hint: The frantic driver who is trying to justify the wreck will give you a hint.
Good luck guys.
If you think you know the answer write it on the underside of a 437lb, 498cc, vtwin, 4.8 gallon gas tank, liquid cooled, transverse, 48.5 miles to the gallon. 6 speed, polished finished and powder coated 2008 black Kawasaki ninja 500 and mail it to
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Great Ape, AFrica 84730-7692March 1, 2008 at 8:38 pm #5116swedeParticipantI just remembered I got a great tip a couple of weeks back, namely that you should store a post in your mobile phone’s contact book under the name ICE, stands for ‘In Case of Emergency’ and it is the number you want the authorities to contact, should you get into an accident.
Most emergency service- and hospital- personnel worldwide knows to look for this abbreviation.
Just thought to let you know if anyone had missed this.
NB! don’t forget to add the country-code to the phone number, in case you’re abroad.
Hope you won’t be needing it though.
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JonathanMarch 2, 2008 at 7:07 am #5119SuperMotoRiderParticipantThats some neat advice, thanks.
March 2, 2008 at 10:01 am #5120KickprivateParticipantGood point swede! Though when I had my accident they didn’t use it. I’m kinda glad they didn’t because I really didn’t want anyone at the hospital with me!
~Not your average hairless monkey
KickMarch 13, 2008 at 7:51 am #5194BeforeTheFallGuestKickprivate you are my hero man. I’m planning on buying the ninja 250 this summer, stepping it up from a 90cc dirt bike haha. I’m so glad i found this site, the advice you guys are giving is amazing. Keep the posts coming dudes, all you guys are helping a soon to be rookie out.
March 13, 2008 at 3:12 pm #5198KickprivateParticipantBe daring, register to the site.
Your welcome.
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KickMarch 27, 2008 at 5:46 pm #5341MattParticipantI just want to add one thing to Kick’s excellent story – if you are helping someone who has crashed, and they want to lay down, do not make them get up and walk around. In fact, help them stay down and to move as little as possible. When I had my mountainbike crash, getting up and walking was the best thing I did for the pain in my head. However, as I found out later, it held great chance of being my last step.
Vertabrae can break without affecting the spinal column. But when you start to move, the broken vertabrae can move and cut the spinal column. This is why EMTs are so seriousy about spin boards and neck braces. Similarily, you should not be the one to take off a helmet. As Kick says, let them if they must (I know when I crashed I paniced and absolutely had ot get out of my helmet as fast as possible), but don’t you do it. The EMTs might, or hey might not (the local EMTs are now being told by ER surgeons to leave helmets on unless they absolutely have to remove the helmet – It is best to let the doctor remove it).
Thanks for sharing Kick.
June 27, 2008 at 4:11 pm #7967AnonymousGuestI dont understand why he swerved if front of him in the first place.In a car you never swerve like that on anything larger than a un congested road.You never make somebody lie down if they arent already (i tried to sit up when i Dislocated and broke my ankle and broke my fibula and it only made the injury worse.That video hurt just watching it.
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