California's Good Samaritan statute

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The California Supreme Court made a very dangerous ruling yesterday...

http://www.yahoo.com/s/1005176

Basically, it supported an apellate court ruling from last year-

My Opinion: A California Appellate Court Muddied the Water

By Rod Brouhard, About.com
Updated: March 23, 2007

The placement of California's Good Samaritan statute has all but rendered it useless for the very population it should protect, thanks to an appellate court ruling. Good Samaritan laws are meant to protect lay people who, for no reason other than kindness, come to the aid of fellow human beings in need.
The general concept is that, as long as you help without any expectation of payment or reward, you will be immune from liability for screwing things up while you're trying to help - as long as you don't screw up really bad.
A ruling on March 21, 2007, by the California Court of Appeal, Second Appellate District, Division 3, essentially restricts California's version of the Good Samaritan Law - the one we think we're following when we stop at a car crash - to only acts that can be defined as emergency medical care.
So, what's emergency medical care?
Well, that's the rub. Emergency medical care apparently does not include rescue, which is the act in question in this case. A lay rescuer pulled an injured victim from a car the rescuer thought was going to catch fire. The victim is now paralyzed and there is some debate whether the rescuer's actions or the crash caused the paralysis.
Let me state at least one obvious point here: no crash equals no injuries equals no need for a rescuer at all.
I'll let that sink in all by itself.
The rescuer sought and won a summary judgment (basically a get-out-of-court-free card) from a superior court judge. That judgment has now been overturned by the appellate court, partially because of where the law is found.
California's Good Samaritan Law is part of Division 2.5 of California's Health and Safety Code. Among other things, Division 2.5 covers emergency medical services for the state. Because of that, the appellate court plugged the word "medical" where it doesn't exist.
From Division 2.5 of the California Health and Safety Code:

1799.102. No person who in good faith, and not for compensation, renders emergency care at the scene of an emergency shall be liable for any civil damages resulting from any act or omission. The scene of an emergency shall not include emergency departments and other places where medical care is usually offered.

According to the ruling, the existence of the word "medical" in the last sentence, and the statute's location near other sections regarding emergency medical services means that only medical care is covered by the law. Why is that important? Because of the court's decision that moving a victim to a safer location is not medical care.
From the decision, written by Justice H. Walter Croskey:

"There may be circumstances in which moving someone from their current location is a matter of medical exigency, such as where a carbon monoxide poisoning victim needs to be moved to a source of fresh air. We do not hold that the act of moving a person is never the rendition of emergency medical care, only that it was not in this case."

The problem with this thinking is that untrained rescuers - the very population this law is intended to protect - are supposed to make a determination as to whether the care they are rendering is medical in nature in order to benefit from Good Samaritan protection. The next time I'm lying in a car, unable to move, I want a Good - nay, Great - Samaritan to pull me free of the burning mass of twisted metal. Even if it turns out, as it may in this case, that the smoke was just from the airbags being deployed.
I teach, and will continue to teach, that positioning and location are part of medical care at the scene of an emergency. I don't know if the defendant in this case jumped the gun, but she - and all the other potential Good Samaritans to come after her - deserve to have this ruling overturned.

This is dangerous and unfortunate....it certainly will give ME pause when happening upon an emergency situation....Not sure it will stop me, but it will make me think about what is necessary vs. what one CAN do to help...

Ummm...am I the only one

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Ummm...am I the only one reading that right?....
From what I get its saying that all "lay" person are covered under the law as long as they are not trying to help inside emergency rooms, hospitals, ambulances etc. Anywhere that normally offers MEDICAL care. Outside of those areas the Lay persons are not liable.
"1799.102. No person who in good faith, and not for compensation, renders emergency care at the scene of an emergency shall be liable for any civil damages resulting from any act or omission. The scene of an emergency shall not include ( meaning all places other than) emergency departments and other places where medical care is usually offered." In other words... if it aint on medical property ... its legally safe to help out.

What kind of crack is this judge on? Or is the legal Jargon a stretch of their degrees?

Another thing though is the author should have done a better job presenting certain facts. What else in the bill or code or what have ya involves before and after the section they pulled out. Its been no secret that genuine "do gooders" get sued for helping strangers in emergencies....medical or not. Its a sad reality that is there. Given another trama by the same person down the road and you will see the same moron hollering how there is no humanity left in the world and no one cares about anyone but number one.

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I thought the law said something different

I'm not in or from California, but I always thought that the Good Sammaritan laws read that one could not be sued for rendering aid when it was within their realm of training.

"There may be circumstances

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"There may be circumstances in which moving someone from their current location is a matter of medical exigency, such as where a carbon monoxide poisoning victim needs to be moved to a source of fresh air. We do not hold that the act of moving a person is never the rendition of emergency medical care, only that it was not in this case."
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What the ruling did was muddy up the waters as to what defines ""medical"" care. So, what if you help someone being mugged, or kidnapped, or move a crash victim from the road, or shoulder . .is leaking gas covered, or does there need to be flames? So really under this, only basic, unquestionable ""medical care"" is allowed. Anything else you MUST restrict yourself to calling 911? That's the rub of the ruling . . . when do you cross the line and put everything you own at risk for trying to be a decent human being and lending a hand?

Good intentions can do a lot of damage. I am just not so sure creating a legal environment that discourages any assistance isn't doing a lot more harm than the few people that get it wrong.

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Either way, my wallet and my

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Either way, my wallet and my "property" can take the hit a whole lot better then my conscience can. I can get the money back, I can re buy whatever, but I would not do good with asking myself "why didn't I act!?" for the rest of my life.

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The only thing this did was

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The only thing this did was to say that each situation can be heard on a case by case basis. And that's a good thing. The last thing I want in a car accident is for some drunk schmoe with no medical training to imagine my car being on fire and attempting to yank me out while I'm only dazed which ends up crippling me. A blanket good samaritan law protecting everyone is stupid. I don't see this muddying the waters at all, only clarifying that stupidity will not be blanketly protected.

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Ah, but it will not make the

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Ah, but it will not make the stupid smart or a drunk sober. THEY will still be stupid. Some smart folks will be wary of just how much they commit themselves however. It is like ER Docs who get sued for every "mistake". These things are imperfect, and in the moment you sometimes make judgment calls. Lawyers make there living being the Monday morning quarterback and convincing folks that the "mistake" was totally unforgivable, when often . .well that is just not true. This just made it harder for the good guy to judge what he should or should not do, and easier for the lawyer to pick up additional cases.

(Oh, in the case that was ruled on, there WAS smoke, it was from the air bag.)

Munch, as someone who has lost everything I own twice now . . hmmm. I am thinking some about how little time I have left for retirement, about what I will have left for my kids when they need a helping hand. I would not watch anyone die, but I might not put my neck to far out. Unless I thought it was life or death . . . hmmm. I drove a lot. I have stopped at a few bad ones, the worst was an SUV that dumped 5 people along the road when it rolled, it is scary trying to know what you should, and should not do when it is for real and folks are crying and asking for your help. I don't like the idea that some blood sucking leach will be after my house for the effort.

I don't know what the true fall out of that law will mean in CA . . . it just is not the kind of direction that gives me warm and fuzzy feelings about how we as a society think these days. Everything needs its day in court it seems. I am just the type that feels a need to question and challenge these things . . . if we don't particulate in watching over legislation, then we deserve what we get. (-;

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there was also a case back

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there was also a case back east, which is what my analogy was based on, where there wasn't smoke except in the imagination of the drunk samaritan and her yanking caused paralysis. which is exactly why letting these proceed to court is a sensible thing. Each one should be judged on a case by case basis. If a frivolous suit comes about, the plantif can pay all the expenses. Either way, I doubt there was a ever a drunk or stupid samaritan that didn't they were good samaritans.

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"Life or Death" Was the

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"Life or Death"
Was the example he used as the motive behind the "good Samaritans" motives for moving the person. Will I stop a kid surfing his bicycle down the street by throwing a broom stick in his spokes on the idea he might get hurt.... nah thats how some stupid gets fixed.

Life or death situations...not even really a choice for me. I am on the run in that direction before most people to help.
As far as wether someone with no medical training helps me or not at risk of hurting me.... well ... see this falls into one of those categories.... Safe, cognitive and more then 1/2 a second to ponder the consequences...the choices are always easy.
In the heat of the moment in a real situation... A.... that drunk gets sober (all be it temporarily) really quick, at least til the adrenaline wears off. B.... well..... if it looks dangerous... I'd rather someone play on the side of my survival rather then wether or not his Rolex might get taken. I know its kinda shimmying off the idea of the article....but does it really? Even if you try the cases on a "per case basis". You are asking a judge to determine from the comfort of a bench to determine wether or not something could have been perceived an emergency... medical or not...training or not.
Money is always something you had, lost and can remake.... life.... not so much. This is always a sensitive thing for me and I will stop here on that. I get infuriated when people use the loss of material things to justify their inaction to help. It's always a 50/50 proposition.... I guess it comes down to wether or not you can live with your choices, and hopefully not too many times where anyone has to make the call on if THEY can or will live with or because of your choices.

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Yea, I think that is what

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Yea, I think that is what bugged me about the ruling. Months after the fact with that 20/20 hind site vision and the kind of "arguments" lawyers make . . . you know the kind, where truth and facts are not allowed to get in the way of winning . . . months to work out the kinks, make the charts, take the pictures . . .

Its another lottery opportunity . . those things don't get passed up.

But if you stop at an event, become involved . .you make split second choices. That was the purpose of the law . .so people would not be afraid to try to help, would not be afraid to stop . . .

Oh well . . . time will tell.

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Then there is the Candian Samaritan law

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A long time ago I heard that there was a Canadian law that say you must stop and render aid. I never looked it up but, imagine that to be true and then to have people sue you for "bad judgment" once you do. You may as well just raise the highway tax for everyone and say that it will be given to victims of car crashes. This law seems damned if ya do, damned if ya do. I am that guy. I stop, if there aren't already 850 people standing around gawking. I seek ways to help, within my means. Stupid people, believing ambulance chasers and jailhouse lawyers, are suing people that may have rendered life saving aid. I guess I will just have to get that tattoo on my cheek that refers to the tattoo on my chest that gives emergency instructions. (ie... DNR,living will in tact, please don't attempt to help me unless trained medical personnel are present etc...). What has our society become?? I will be watching this. What starts in Ca. usually dribbles down to Co. Don't listen to the Boulderites that tell you "that is not the case". They are in there in there own little world. We are just on the verge of having to need a passport to exit and enter that town.

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Wow, that's a lot to

Wow, that's a lot to digest.
At the scene of an "incedent" percieved danger and actual danger can be two different things, especially when evaluating it months later in a court room.
Regardless of the laws, I will always do my due diligence to help someone in need to the extent of my abilities. If I get sued for my selflessness then so be it. I can live without my " things" but can't with a bad conscious.