2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250 Review Part 4 of 4
The 2008 Ninja 250 is the bike everyone is talking about this year since it has received a MAJOR face lift from the engineers at Kawasaki. Best Beginner Motorcycles was lucky enough to catch up with Gary Jaehne, the author of Sportbiking - The Real World: The Advanced Riders Handbook
and Sportbiking - The Real World 2: Rider and Bike Tuning Handbook.
Gary Recently purchased one of the '08 Ninja 250s and has written a 4 part ride report of his experience.
Part 1 - First 50 Mile Ride
Part 2 - Ridden in Anger
Part 3 - Looking for Nits
Part 4 - Full Anger Mode & a Miracle
'08 Ninja 250 – Ride #4 "Real World" Impressions (Full Anger Mode – & a Miracle)
The new bike was showing about 160 miles on the odometer at the start of the first weekend of riding, as a result of the three 50'ish mile first impression mini test rides that I'd managed to squeeze in during the previous evenings after work.. Fresh oil had been put into the engine at that early mileage mark in an effort to ensure any initial break-in impurities were removed.
At this more established stage of ownership, this posting will cover the impressions taken away from a solid 350 miles of "spirited" riding that was done on the local twisty backroads, while enjoying two days of beautiful California winter weather (sunshine, dry roads, and temps nudging into the 70's).
In keeping with the itemized format previously used for evaluation of the various categories of the new bike; this weekend's impressions/experiences are again presented in that fashion.
ENGINE:
Subscribing to the school of gotta run an engine, with proper RPM variation and loads on the rings, to properly break it in, the RPM range the engine was worked over the course of this weekend gradually increased over a reasonable working range. No wide-open, 6th gear stuff …. or running it up to redline (13K) … but definitely using the engine the way it was intended to work.
It's still only a seat-o-the-pants dyno impression at this point, but based on having run the new bike on the same combination of twisty backroads (including some with steep uphills) that I've sampled for the last 80K miles on my old-generation (2000) Ninja 250, I suspect that in stock emissions-legal trim, the '08 model is putting out just a tad less peak HP.
The engine runs great through the RPM range, and definitely does a good job of pulling the rider along nicely during general riding, while just cruising her along in the 6-8K range, but that upper RPM "hit" (10K-13K) of the previous generation bike just seems to be slightly soft on the '08 model.
Riding this weekend with the many of the same experienced riders (on their 600-1000cc machines) that I've spent time with in the hills in the recent past, while mounted on the old bike, I was able to somewhat gauge where the '08 bike's actual performance stacked up. Measuring how hard I had to work the little bike, to blend in with the riding of the folks on their bigger-bore machines, provided some pretty quantitative feedback.
The key for optimizing the strengths of the new bike, during this "spirited riding", was in recognizing that banging downshifts every time the engine dropped below the 11K range is not necessary, or in its best interest. Letting the upper-midrange (8K-10K) pull the bike along, results in getting down the road in a very efficient manner, at a lot better pace then the lack of screaming engine RPM (of the old bike) might imply.
For those looking for the root of the missing top end "hit" of the old bike, I'm not sure where that lies. It may be in the modified cam profile and timing, the new catalytic converter equipped exhaust, emissions-friendly carburetor jetting ….. or some combination?
The bottom line however on engine performance, based on 500+ miles of real world riding experience on the new bike, is that this lack of extreme top-RPM "hit" doesn't make the bike any slower then the old generation machine. If anything, the added "grunt" of the upper-mid, if utilized smartly by the rider, can result in the '08 bike running a stronger pace then the old bike. This is true; at least on anything short of taking the bike out on track in a roadracing environment.
CHASSIS/SUSPENSION:
The significantly increased "firmness" of the suspension on both ends of the '08 bike (compared to the pogo-stick '88-'07 machines) has already been well noted in the earlier segments of the bike review. On the second day of the weekend riding I had a chance to really put the suspension to a worst-case test out on an incredibly tight/twisty, bumpy, up-n-down rollercoaster style of backroad ("Stage Road".) in the local Northern California mountains.
On the old bike, the "G-Out" dips that reside at the worst possible locations, right at the apex of some challenging downhill corners, used to badly sack the bike's suspension out. At a "spirited" pace, this has occurred to the point where the exhaust pipe, shift lever, rear brake lever, side and centerstand all touched down to pavement at various times ….. providing a shower of sparks …. and badly upsetting the bike. Not a fun moment!
Recognizing this limitation on the old bike, required a lot of effort on the part of the rider to try to minimize the impact. Keeping the bike as vertical as possible, being on the throttle just prior to (and during) the "G-Out" (to keep the engine working the drive chain through the rear wheel to provide some "anti-squat" assistance), and using a lot of leg-suspension by the rider, were all required.
Carving up those very same turns on Sunday, on the '08 bike, totally changed everything! The bike has what so far appears to be almost unlimited ground clearance between "hard parts" and the pavement (at least as setup on preload #3 position, and my 170 lb. rider weight). The combination of the high clearance, and "firm" suspension, resulted in not a single "G-Out" moment ….. despite the pace being (if anything) a bit more "spirited" then most past rides on the old bike. It definitely takes a ton of the stress out of riding the bike briskly on lesser quality roads, where there's higher demands put on the suspension. Good stuff!
P.S. As hard as it was for me to believe (from what I found over the last 500 miles of riding), experienced riders that take one of these little bikes out in an environment (the track) where "getting a knee down" is commonplace ...... are going to find it's REALLY HARD to touch a puck on this new bike!
The combination of the "firm" suspension (that doesn't squat under load going into the turns) the taller seat height (and wider), and the higher rearset/footpeg position, keep the ground a long ways away while cornering. This is true even when leaning the bike quite far over (to within a few mm's of the edge of the OEM rear tire). This capability being a total 180 degree opposite of the "old" (last generation") bike!
FUEL MILEAGE:
There were some intervals (miles) of riding this weekend where the bike was exclusively being used on a series of very tight/twisty, mostly un-traveled backroads, at a consistently "spirited" pace. Due to the lower speeds of the twisty roads, the bike was being worked a lot in the lower gears, and at higher RPM. Based on past experience, this form of riding always puts the highest demands on fuel economy.
After completing about a 115 mile loop which consisted mostly of this form of riding, a gas fill-up was done to check how thirsty the bike had been in this most demanding form of use. The bike took about 2.5 gallons to fill back up. This figured out to an average mileage, for that extreme level of riding, of:
* 46 MPG (lowest)
Pretty amazing mileage (compared to a 600cc+ machine), considering the type of riding!
OVERALL IMPRESSIONS:
A good friend, and weekend riding partner of mine (that happens to also be a very fast local roadracer with about 20 years of experience) joined me on Sunday's ride. He's ridden with me many times over the last few years, on his CBR-600 and CBR-1000 Hondas, while I was on the old Ninja 250. Despite riding with me on the little bike (prior to yesterday) he's never thrown a leg over a Ninja 250, much less ridden one.
After our breakfast stop up at "Alices" restaurant (an infamous sportbikers watering hole at the top of the mountain roads in our area) I offered him a chance to swap bikes for a short test ride during the first stint of our day's riding. The good looks of the '08 Ninja 250 (over the previous generation model) was the carrot that pushed him over his previously shown total lack of interest in riding one of these little 250cc machines. We headed out on an 8 mile stretch of Hwy 35, heading north, to the junction point of our proposed turnoff onto one of the tastier little goat trail roads in our local sportbike riding area ("Tunitas Creek Rd").
I waved my friend by at the start, to allow him a chance to set the pace to whatever he felt comfortable with ……. as well as to allow me a chance to actually see what the little green bike looked like in action. The first of the twistys started less then a mile up the road, and I was amazed to see that within about 3 turns, his body posture changed dramatically. He went from a "I'm just sitting here cruising along checking out someone else's bike" ….. to a "lets carve 'em up" mode.
I was grinning ear-to-ear in my helmet as began to see a gap developing between us, as he exited a couple of consecutive tight turns, while dropping into the "spirited" mode. I found myself actually having to get into the throttle a bit on his 600RR, to use the superior power to close things back up again. Wow …….. I couldn't believe it. He's REALLY having a blast riding that thing!
This cat-n-mouse continued for the next five miles, with him looking more and more confident, and having more and more fun, as every turn fell behind us.
Pulling into parking area at stopping point for our turnoff to the goat trail road, I got off his Honda and walked over to him. He was still sitting in the saddle of the Ninja, and didn't seem in any hurry to get off. His last comment to me, as we debriefed a bit on the test ride, was "let's go!. This was accompanied by a head gesture motioning in the direction of the entrance to the road we were about to ride.
Apparently he was all set to stay on the little 250, and continue with the fun. Being a bit of a party-pooper (but doing so with a smile) and proud papa, I replied; "If you want to ride one of these little Ninja 250s any more at this point …… you're just gonna have to buy one of your own". At that point we swapped bikes back, and headed out for what ended up being another 100 miles of great riding by the end of the day.
The significance of the reaction of my friend, from his brief test riding experience on this new '08 Ninja 250, cannot be understated. The fact that this particular individual came away with a big smile on his face, really had a blast riding the bike, and commented verbatim after his ride; "One of these bikes would really be a lot of fun for riding on the roads up here!" speaks volumes for the success and recognition that Kawasaki engineers and designers deserve for their work in creating this new generation bike. It only gets better with every ride ……….. can't wait for each new opportunity!
Congratulations Kawasaki …….. "you done good". I hope you guys sell the _hit out these little bikes. It'd be great to see a lot more riders that are better suited to smaller displacement machines ….. get off the bigger-bore bikes ……… and onto something where they can have a great time, and really learn the art of riding.
Happy riding all!
Gary S. Jaehne
Scotts Valley, California
Comments
Giggety giggety
good to finally see the last installment. it's a pity that the peak power has suffered a slight drop from previous models. i understand that the superior handling and stronger mid-range rpm will compensate for this small loss of peak power, but can you imagine how amazing this bike would be with an extra 10 horses in your hand. despite this and the $7370 on-road price tag here in Australia, i'm still eager to get one.
Awsome
the bike sounds awsome, i cant wait to get one! That is once i get the money and convince my parents to let me get one / turn 18. Thanks for the review!
Changed mind
Well i was looking at getting something like a 2000 ninja as my first bike, ya know used and cheap. But after reading this i think im gonna have to shell out a few more bucks and get this little beast, sounds amazing!
It's for me
Here in the UK this bike is going to cost £3295 on the road (rip off Britain) but that is still excellent value here for a brand new bike. I am 35 years old and do not need a restricted bike but after being off bikes for a while I am convinced this is the perfect bike for me. Thankyou for such an excellent review- I can't wait for the bike to be released here- should be any time now.
Just to clarify
Just to clarify what i mean by restricted bike. Newly qualified bikers here in Britain are restricted to bikes under 33bhp for the first 2 years i beleive. This usually means buying a bigger bike and having a restrictor kit fitted (currently we do not have many 250 or even 400 bikes in production so new riders are a bit stuck for choice). I think Kawasaki have got the perfect package here for new riders as your excellent report shows. Thanks again.
Thank you
I am so glad I found this write up. I have been trying to decide between the 250R and the 650R. My main problem with the 250R was that everyone is telling me that it's to small and go for at least a 600cc bike. After reading all 4 write ups, I think this is more of the range and riding I love to do. I also live in the area in Boulder Creek and having you ride the same stuff I am going to ride was great info. The one thing that I wanted to know is how is the bike on long rides are you sore? I am shorter than you at 5'7" so I think the riding position would be ok. The other thing is have you taking the 250R on the freeways, just curious how it is for commuting?
Thanks again for the best write up on the net for real world riding...
Thanks so much for the great
Thanks so much for the great write up. I've already posted comments on some of the other reviews but i just wanted to say thanks for a great, honest and informative write up. The wait to pick up mine is now absolutely killing me! Riding this bike is going to be extremely enjoyable
Cheers!
~ Soon to Be proud owner of a 2008 Ninja 250R :D
~ Soon to Be proud owner of a 2008 Ninja 250R :D
I considered the 250, but
wound up getting the 650r. I'm happy with my choice.
Awesome!
Glad you like the 650r, its a great bike as well :)
Ben
~Best Beginner Motorcycles Admin
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Feedback to questions, from "The Author" (of this thread)
Glad to see that the test ride reports have been proven to be of interest to so many. I enjoyed writing them, almost as much as I enjoyed putting in the miles on the new '08 Ninja 250 to gather the real world experience to do so!
In response to "Ruckowner". That's cool to see that you're local to me, and hope you end up making the 250R your choice of bikes, as you'll love it on our local backroads in Santa Cruz mountains! Be nice to see you out at the local weekend sportbike rider gathering spots, on the same bike.
In response to your questions on long-range comfort, and freeway riding, here's some feedback.
I've put in over 60 miles/day commuting highway/freeway stuff for the last 5 years (50K+ miles) or so, on my old-generation Ninja 250. I've found the riding position and capabilities to cruise along at the pace of the other traffic (averages 75+ in the morning, in the carpool lane on the main freeway at that time of the morning), to be quite decent. The motor is in the 9K-10K range, but being a small displacement engine with a 13K+ redline, it's quite "happy" in that zone.
I've taken the new ('08) bike on the same commute a few times, and found it to be as good, or better (due to the improved stability, and decent upper-midrange) in every way.
As to long-distance riding, a high-mileage day for me on the new '08 Ninja 250 has only consisted of putting in 200+ miles of the best "backroad twisties". Haven't done any hour-after-hour freeway droneing (thankfully), but with the very comfortable seat/bar/peg postioning, and reasonable wind protection, I think putting a few hours together out on the highway to get somewhere, would be quite do-able.
Hope this added info helps provide some help with your questions.
Cheers,
Gary J
I've loved these reviews
These reviews and this website are a goldmine. Much thanks for boatloads of information and thoughts from experienced riders. I've attempted to get a first hand look at the bike in a dealership and size it up but it has been VERY difficult to find in my area (NJ). I had two dealerships tell me today that "We can't keep the 250's in stock." and "They are hot right now, if you order a bike we might be able to get it in a month or two." Oh well, the video's will have to do for now :). Thanks again for the awesome review.
Thanks for the review
I have been wanting to get back on a bike for a while and your reviews have inspired me to finally do it. A friend of mine just bought a 2007 model on sale and sparked my interest in the 250r. I put my order in last friday and my black '08 came in today! Unfortunately I have to work all day today and we are having thunderstorms rolling in tonight, so I will have to wait untill tomorrow to ride it home. I am ordering one for my wife also, this will be her first time on a bike, is it easy for a new rider to pick up on? Thanks for all the great info.
Tim
I'm Jealus
Lol Tim, i am so jealous of you right now. I ordered my Black 08 250 R a month ago and i'm still waiting. I hate living in australia sometimes. Where you from???, Good luck with the bike!!
~ Soon to Be proud owner of a 2008 Ninja 250R :D
~ Soon to Be proud owner of a 2008 Ninja 250R :D
I live on the state line of
I live on the state line of Kentucky and Tennesse in the US. I gues I got really lucky today, I went to pick up my bike and see about getting my wife one ordered and they happened to pick up an extra one at another stop. It is red wit a Two Brothers slip-on already installed. I picked it up for my wife for $4,000 and they threw in an ICON jacket worth $150. Now I am kinda jealouse of her's since mine has the factory exhaust.
I need to find a way to lower it though, she has short legs and can barely reach the ground. She has already dropped it and cracked the fairing around the right blinker and scratched the paint a little. I tried to tell her we need to lower it first, but she is stubborn and wouldn't listen. Does anyone know if the lowering links for the 2007 model will work for the 2008? I am having trouble finding any for the 2008.
totaly mine
after reading this series and checking out a 250r at my local dealership, this is without a doubt the bike I'm going to purchase...on that note who is the best company to get financing through?
/\/\@R!<
SOON to be a proud owner!!!!!
Just came from a dealer here where i live in Long Island, NY and just put a deposit on a black 250r which will be coming in next week. I am hearing about alot of you guys having a difficult time finding these bikes in stock but not a big shortage here in Long Island. They definately go quickly but they are restocked just as fast, i guess it depends on your location. I'm about 6'1 160 lbs and felt very comfortable on the bike. Cant wait for it to come in. WOOOOOOT.
Shock "Preload" adjustment, for "height-challenged" riders
Tim wrote: "I need to find a way to lower it though, she has short legs and can barely reach the ground. She has already dropped it ..........."
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Didn't see any mention of it Tim, so thought I'd ask, just in case. Have you taken advantage of backing out the "Preload" adjuster on the rear shock of her bike, as a method of getting the bike down to a more workable level for her?
There's 5 positions to the "Preload" on the rear shock, and for every position moved you'll likely see a good 1/4"+ drop in the ride height (and seat height). Assuming her weight is average for a woman, you could move the adjuster all the way to the lightest "Preload" position, which would definitely get things lower for her ... without any real issues in the handling of the bike.
Just some food for thought, in the case that you haven't already made changes to this user-adjustment on the shock. If you have already done this ..... please disregard the above. :-)
Gary J
Lowering
Thanks for the tip Gary. I just checked and they are already set to the lowest position. I found a set of lowering links though so I should have them this week. I am going to get a fiberglass repair kit and try to fix the crack the best I can.
On another note, I noticed we have different tires, mine are Dunlop Aeromax and hers are Michelin. I don't know witch is better, or why they are different, just thought I would share.
Tim
2 Up?
Has anyone tried riding with a passenger? Just curious how the bike would handle with the wife joining me for the ride. Would it still have enough power?
Help me please
I am seeking to get a bike. I will be a first time owner and rider. What bike do you recommend? I have heard stories that the Ninja 250r is a good bike; it has MANY great reviews. However, is it the one for me? I am 27, 6'3" and 190lbs. Would this bike fit me well? If not, which will? I am interested in any of the popular brands because the parts here in the states is less expensive. The Hyosung GT250R is said to be good also, but it is from a relatively unpopular company and it costs more than its Ninja counterpart.
I am so confused. I have been reading forums and mags and looking on youtube for reviews but I simply do not know what bike to look into. Please help me.
6'3"
The best thing to do is to sit on every 250cc or 500cc motorcycle you can to see which one feels right. If you are a first time rider I would not recommend getting anything larger than that.
Ben
~Best Beginner Motorcycles Admin
- Best Beginner Motorcycles Admin
engine rpm in 6th gear at 80mph
Hey,
Great review, read it from start to finish and following this I included the little Ninja on my list on potential bikes.
I'm just starting as a motorcyclist and I am conscious that lots of power means lots of trouble for me.
My question(s) for you is how revved up the engine is while cruising in 6th gear at 80mph (130km/h)?
Is it sustainable over a long period of time without damaging the little engine?
At 80mph do you have any power left for let's say emergency overtaking?
And how stable is the bike when a big and long truck overtakes on the freeway? Do you get sucked in?
Thanks,
Marcone
Re: Tires
In reference to Tim's statement, I also have the Dunlop Aeromax on my bike (2008 EX250). Not a bad thing, but is that just an analomy or is that the sorta thing that manufacturers do when they get a cheaper price on a batch of whatever? I'm in IT so I know that hardware companies do it all the time.
Anywho, great bike, and an amazing site... thanks for all of the info!
Re: engine rpm in 6th gear at 80mph
I would say around 9-10k, not really sure. But at 70MPH it is running 8-9k, with plenty of throttle left.
Change of heart
Thanks for the reviews again. You guys are doing an amazing job :) I feel like a squirrel jumping from 1 tree branch to another. Only difference is branches of the tree are bikes :p It has been about 2 months now since i started searching for the best first bike to buy as a new rider. I was definitely gonna buy hyosung gt250r but then all the comments and reviews on various sites(including here) cooled me off. Then i decided to go for sv650. I searched for a clean one for about 3 weeks and 3 days ago i went to a dealership and found the sv650 i was after. I was ready to pay and get it. Unfortunately or fortunately in this occasion, owner of the bike was sick and wasn't able to provide her documentation for the bike. At the night of that day i saw this bike. I probably watched all the videos on youtube already and read every review i could find. Now i am on my way out to the dealership to get my ninja. Sorefully in AU there is a long queue to get this bike :/ I hope i'll get lucky and hit the roads in a couple of weeks. Thanks again for the reviews. BTW, Tim; checkout "Area P Full Exhaust" for your bike if you would like to have an aftermarket exhaust. I think it has a better tune than twin bros. Also yoshi exhaust has a nice tune and gives around +3 hp(with rejetting). But i think it makes the warranty void if you rejet, not sure. Best to check before doing that =)
Reality doesn't fit to my will
I am so frustrated right now that i can't put in words so easily. As simple as it gets, the sv650 i was going to buy is sold and the ninja 250r is out of stocks in every dealership i called. And it gets better. Closest day they can give me for the next shipment is August!!! That is ridiculous. Now i am back where i started; checking sv650. But even if i find one, is it going to be the bike where my heart stays? Good job RTA for putting dealers in a tight spot with your approval procedures on the bike. And good job kawasaki for putting such a short limit on number of 250r's to be sent to AU. Being me sucks big time right now...
Pengasus I feel your Pain
Hey there mate,
I totally feel your pain here, i have had mine on order at a dealership since the 23th of March. Was told it would arrive mid april so i excitedly went out got my learners, ordered all my protective gear and everything, and now i am still waiting for the bike. Told that i am the next on the list and hoping to receive it by the end of May but this wait is absolute torture. This bike is rarer than hens teeth in Australia, and i hate seeing on this site some of the US guys have managed to pick one up in less than a week
I'll keep crying myself to sleep *sob
Hope it helps to know your not alone!!
~ Soon to Be proud owner of a 2008 Ninja 250R :D
~ Soon to Be proud owner of a 2008 Ninja 250R :D
Hi mate, I am glad your wait
Hi mate,
I am glad your wait is almost over. But yea, it sucked big time to wait 3 months for a motorbike. I always thought saving the money for a motorbike would be the hard part but it turned out to be buying the thing i want most... Well, you are getting your bike in 2 weeks, i am glad i'll be more likely to see one of those sexy beasts on the street. Closest i got to was the one in the gallery service where they were putting together the bike. They didn't even let me get close to it but yea, i liked that bike. Oh well, what happened has happened. I wish i had your patience but i have been waiting way too many years to buy my OWN motorbike. I payed a deposit for a second hand bike 3 days ago. It's pretty clean. 2007 GSR 600 with 7k on odometer. I ended up getting something AU$1k higher then my budget i was willing to spend and it wasn't even a bike on my wishlist but i somehow ended up buying it. My license doesn't have any restrictions since i am holding a full international license but i just wanted to get a lower cc bike. To build more confidence and to improve riding skills more comfortably. Until now i just rode my friends' motorbikes and i dropped an africa twin. Damn i hated that bike(my toes were the only part of my feet touching the ground when i was sitting on it parked) but still riding a bike was too much of a thing i couldn't pass by. Anyways, gsr600 might not be the most suitable bike for a beginner(altough i rode high cc motorbikes time to time that doesn't make me qualified enough to keep riding them), it felt extremely comfortable. Riding position was perfect for me, and the bike was quite light for its size. I am not into speeding or any jackass wheelies in the traffic. I enjoy riding with no purpose in a speed where i can actually feel my environment. I guess i'll ride after midnight for a while in empty roads to get used to the feeling of the bike. I will get it from the dealership next monday. All there is left to get is to buy a jacket and gloves. I am going SOOOOOO broke :)
Waiting For My Bike
The '08 Ninja 250 is difficult to find even here in the Los Angeles area. I had to order mine as well and was told it would be anywhere from 1-4 weeks. I just ordered it Saturday and I'm dying to get it. I found one in stock but the dealer wanted to rip me off since it is such a hot item right now. I decided to save $1,500 and order it from a different dealer and wait it out.
Where oh where
OK, first of all this a great site! I am new to motorcyles just got my license and looking to purchase a 2008 ninja 250. But, apparently all of them are sold out here in Canada. So far whoever I talked to cant even place an order for a new one. Anyone know where can I get my hands on one?
MODS FOR THE NEW 2008 NINJA 250R!!
Do any of you 2008 Ninja owners out there think they will come out with a undertail kit for the new 2008 Ninja 250R? I know yoshi and two brothers have made a system for the bike. I just hope they will make more after market things for this bike because it deserves it. I plan on having this bike for a while until I learn the ropes of the road and other people around me and I want it too look sporty as if it dont already....I just want some aftermarket things to put on it......... like the bigger bikes have! please comment me back and let me know about anything I could buy to put on my 2008 Ninja 250R.
Thanks, guys
I just want to say thanks for the site, and for the reviews. I'm a new rider (aged 26) in the UK, and am doing a DAS course, which gives me the ability to ride any bike (if I can afford to insure it!) once I pass.
I've ordered a Triumph Street Triple, on the basis that it's generally seen as a good beginner's big bike, and also it seems to whoop the a***s off pretty much anything else out there in real world riding situations. However, the waiting list is so long over here that mine won't be arriving until probably October 08 :-(
The reason I'm glad I found this site is that I've decided to get a Ninja 250R to learn on in the meantime, and then to use as a commuter once the 'weekends only' Street Triple arrives. With any luck, I'll be a much better rider than if I had gone straight to the big bike. I'm picking it up the weekend after my test - the end of May. We get an EFI model here in the UK, so it's a bit pricier than in the US, but still really cheap compared to the competition (the new Yamaha 125cc sportsbike is the same price as the Kwakker over here)
I just want to have fun and get around; I don't want to kill myself, and I want to develop into an accomplished rider (hopefully), one step at a time. You guys have given me the confidence to start in what I think is the right place. Cheers!
Careful on the street triple
Good to hear you're enjoy the site.
I'm really curious, what reviews have you read that put the triple as a good beginner bike?
It makes 103hp and is a hooligan bike (it'll lift the front wheel in first or second gear iwth very little effort).
I'm glad you're getting the ninja first. It'll prepare you for the street triple - but still be careful when you pick the Triumph up, it'll surprise you I'm sure (heck, if you haven't ridden it, the 250 will surprise you!)
I love the Street Triple, I'd love to own one... some day...
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"The two seconds between 'Oh S**!' and the crash isn't a lot of practice time."
The Street Triple
MCN's review is typical: http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bikereviews/searchresults/Bike-Reviews...
There's a general culture here in the UK that if you're old enough to go straight to big capacity bikes (i.e. over 21 when you take your test) you should get something pretty meaty when you start. Even my instructor questioned whether I might get bored on a Ninja 250, and suggested I might prefer to go for a 500 or 600 cc machine straight after taking my test.
However, I'm sticking to my current plan - and will definitely be taking it easy on the Triumph to begin with.
I race bicycles for a hobby, so I know what it's like to wheely away from lights - you get a hell of a lot of torque with a pushbike! I'm not going to do that on a motorbike if I can avoid it...
Question...
If I am 6.1 and weigh at 200 pounds, would I be able to drive the 250r. This was my first choice, i like the reviews and I love the price, at $3500 but im afraid of being too tall and too heavy to ride it. Can somebody answer please?
Hi, Your weight shouldn't be
Hi,
Your weight shouldn't be a problem with any of the modern day bikes. Especially a bike like 250r is not likely to have any problems(from the reviews i read). I don't know about your height though, since that bike is pre-sold out here in AU, i couldnt even get to sit on one myself. If you have a place that has the bike in stock, better go check it out. Everyone is different, what feels comfortable for another person might not suit you at all. Don't buy a bike just because it is good priced and looks sexy. You will regret it a lot if you are not comfortable on it.
200ilbs, and 6'1" put you at
200ilbs, and 6'1" put you at 15 pounds more than me and less than an inch taller, you'll fit on a 250 no problem.
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Old or new...?
I am sold on the idea of getting a Kawasaki Ninja 250. Everyone says it's a great bike for beginners (never so much as touched a motorcycle before so I hope they're right) and it is small so it won't squish me when I drop it. Plus it looks GREAT!!! I'm female, about to turn 16 and about 5'3 However, I probably won't even be able to get one for a while as I still need to get my learner's permit then wait six months before I get my driver's license, then take the (mandatory for me) motorcycle training course so I can get the motorcycle endorsement. By then I'll probably be around 17 and hopefully be a bit bigger. The thing I can't decide on is should I get a new or old Ninja? I like the idea of the new one, since Kawasaki has revamped it etc. and since the bike will probably stay in the family for a long time for my siblings to learn on (I am the oldest of five kids) the newer technology would be helpful. But I hate the idea of dropping it and scratching the beautiful thing...also, it sounds like the '08 model is in short supply. I will have to check with dealers here to see how they are stocked, but I am also worried about how expensive different parts would be and how hard they might be to find. Since the older models are virtually unchanged, it would be parts galore. Is this true with the '08 Ninja? Any input on deciding which model to buy would be very much appreciated.
P.S. One pro I like about buying an '08 Ninja is the price tag- $3.5k. Recently I checked the Autotrader Magazine in Wal-Mart and saw an '05 model for over $6k...and it was green, not my favorite. At least I could choose which color I want at the dealership :P I'm leaning towards the newer version, scratching it or not...
And THANK YOU for this AMAZING review!! The "nit finding" page was especially helpful...if I wind up getting one, I'll know what to look for.
Same person, same question
Just a heads up, that was me and it is still an open topic, although after even more research I am more and more inclined to start saving up for a new Ninja. Again, thanks for the review and great job with the site!
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Take a bow
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silverstorm
So you were asking about whether it's best to get the new or old ninja 250?
Honestly either one is a great beginner bike, but I personally think that the new one is worth the price. That's a pretty big endorsment because I usually repeat, "Buy used! Buy used!" all the time haha. Both are great bikes though.
Ben
~Best Beginner Motorcycles Admin
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Haha yes
Haha yes that was a big reason why I was questioning whether or not to get new or used. Normally, I would just get used, but since Kawi completely redid the Ninja 250 I thought "Well wait a minute..." Thanks for the input though, I'm gonna start saving up...this is really gonna teach me some patience *sigh*
Ooooh
And our freedom is consuming itself
What we will become is contrary to what we want
Take a bow
~Muse, Take a Bow (lyrics)
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Ooooh
And our freedom is consuming itself
What we will become is contrary to what we want
Take a bow
~Muse, Take a Bow (lyrics)
I see your from Scotts
I see your from Scotts Valley. How does the 250 hold up on HWY 17. I'm from Watsonville and I work in Santa Cruz and I was thinking of getting a used 250 for my first bike.
The guy that actually wrote
The guy that actually wrote our review on the 2008 ninja 250 lives in scotts valley I believe and he commutes to the bay area (mountainview maybe?) on his 250.
Ben
~Best Beginner Motorcycles Admin
- Best Beginner Motorcycles Admin
'08 250R
First of all, this is a GREAT site! I'm a newbie to the world of motorcycles and the information you provide is exactly what I was looking for. I've been very interested in Kawi's new 250R for some time and I gotta say that the four-part review convinced me that there is no better bike for me to start with, PERIOD!
Keep up the great work!
so different...
i have to say this is a brilliant site,
im just getting into motorcycling, im from the UK and the way we Brits go about things seem a bit different to you guys and gals in the US...
i have to say though that the new 250 Ninja is looking brilliant over here too, its a shame that in the UK its costs about twice as much in the US, which sadly puts it out of my price range.
to become a new rider in the UK you must take a theory test and then an on road practical test, and unless you are over 21 this test is done on a 125cc machine, after passing the test you are limited to a motorcylce with upto 33bhp for two years.
it has become popular for many new riders to buy much more powerful machines for example gsx-r600's and then fit 'restrictor kits' to limit the power of these bikes and then once the two year period is over they derestrict their bike and have a 100+bhp sportsbike.
i think this scheme is a good idea as it allows free choice of motorcycle style/engine size, but also means there is a safety net for new riders who want to look good and stay safe.
Michigan Rider
I recently put a down payment on this new 250R and, as everyone else has said, can't wait to jump on and go for a ride. Unfortunately for me this bike will only be riden a few months out of the year because of the weather i get here in Holland Michigan. But some of the roads and trails that my grandfather knows will be perfect to take this puppy out and see the real michigan (not to say that there is much to it anyway, i know its no california). But i must also add, i truly appreciate your four-piece review on this bike. It really pushed me towards getting this bike, instead of buying used.
Oh, and if you live in michigan and want this bike you better hurry. Every shop i have gone to is sold out until the beginning of this coming winter. I get mine this week. I just got lucky.
Happy riding
Is the Ninja 250 Right for me?
I am currently looking for a bike. I have never ridden a bike before. I am going to take a MSC so I will have a good basis before I ride. I am 6'2 275 and have been told by sales people that I would not like the Ninja 250, I need something with at least 600cc. I want a bike to learn on and I think a 600cc bike might be too much power for me. I only really plan to use the bike to commute to and from work and a little on the weekends. Not too much freeway driving mostly city. Would a 250 be too small? I would like some advice.
Thank you
I just got my Ninja 250 and
I just got my Ninja 250 and I'm 6'2" 275lbs as well. This bike is awesome. Gets around town really well and can get up and move on the highway. I got it up to 80 on the highway no problem with some room in the throttle to overtake something if needed. I'm a brand new rider as well, which is why I chose the 250. I would highly suggest you ride a 250 as well until you have more experience.
250R vs 600R
So I've gone in to both of the Kawasaki dealers here in town, and each time the 250R was not in stock. (Wasn't surprised). I told them both I was a first time rider and looking for my first bike the 250R; Immediately the sales people tried to sway me into a 600R, and said they couldn't understand why everyone wants a 250R. They actually were dogging on the 250! Since the 250 is never in stock I have never been able to see it up close and in person, so I can't really compare it to anything. Any thoughts on the 600R? Besides the obvious (bigger engine/more $$)... I never hear anything about it.
What should I choose...
I'm 16 and 30 days from being able to ride motorcycles (legally) on public roads. I am trying to decide between the 250 or the 500 2008 Kawasaki ninja as my bike. I have enough money for either and would like to get the bigger bike if possible. I have allot of dirt biking experience and am doing a motorcycle driving training course although I'm 5'10 and only 140 pounds. Would the 500 be to much for me to handle?
Weight problem?
1.) At 5'6 and 240lbs, would the 250R have enough power for me to enjoy some spirited--but not aggressive-riding through hilly areas.
2,) I live at sea-level near the shore of southern New Jersey but I would be riding through the mountains (At or near Appalachian mountains) high above sea-level with lots of elevation changes. Will a bike equipped with a carburetor prove to be a pain in the butt? I really, really, don't want to have to re-jet carbs and what not depending on where I feel like riding that day.
Between my weight and my somewhat unique riding areas, would something like a fuel-injected, larger displacement SV-650 be more appropriate for me? I really, really, love the Ninja 250R but I want a bike I can have a little fun with now. Would an unexperienced rider like myself really be able to appreciate the finer details with regards to some of the noted downfalls of the SV-650 like the front suspension? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
My 250R
I just got one of these bikes three weeks ago, I CAN'T STOP RIDING IT! I love this bike, even tho im a begenner, i feel like a pro on this bike lol...but i kno you have to respect the bike or it'll turn on ya.
My hopes are up for 2009
I'm going to buy a kawasaki 250R my mind is pretty much made up. I've read reviews and lots of threads about the little ninja and i like what i hear. I'm mainly going to use the bike for work and an occassional ride on my days off through town. In town speed limits is no higher than 45 mph. My work is approx. 25 miles away from my home and the top speed on any of the roads is 65mph. I am 5'11", 188lbs. I to have thought if the bike would fit my size frame. Also the biggest factor is that the 250R fits my budget. I have to wait until 2009 to get a bike because the dealers near me dont have anymore 2008's and wont get any until 2009. My other thought is will the 09's look like the 08's....I SURE HOPE SO! I wanted the ebony color but i've also thought of getting a different color for visibility purposes...any thoughts or opinions?
Well what can I say? These
Well what can I say? These reviews of yours blew my mind. Never thaught a bike gives side by side movement etc. Despite all my love to this little thunderbolt I don't have the money to buy it. I would need to work aproximately for 950 hours + :( this little dream of mine ends up somewhere in the rich and famous little fantasylife I would be clad to have. My neighbour though just got US $ 15.000 just so he can "buy himself a laptop and some clothes" I just shake my head and whonder why! He tells me he maybe wants to buy a Aprilia RS 250. It's a two stroke deadbetty concipied for the richyrich kids. He also told me, that I have to be reasonable in my choices of motorcycles, "something that isn't too new or atleast something affordable to you". I don't know about you guys, but it would seriously take me more than four years to get a "reasonable/affordable" sum together. If you people drive by a homeless and he seems interested, don't just ignore him, talk to him... show him that this is a level of life possible to achieve and not just a crazy fantasy! Believe it! You people are the living proof, think about that for a while.
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And if it takes me ten years - I have a dream
Sincerely yours, Mr. NoCash
wow i really want to get one
wow i really want to get one of these. i just turned 16 and im hopping my parents will let me get my m license but there scared cuz its not safe or w.e. im trying to do as much research as i can on bikes and i think this will be good as my first but im not sure if i can pay for insurance and all that stuff. being that im younger will insurance be alot for me? i need to get a car to so i need to make sure i can cover that to. if any 1 could help me out it would be much appreciated. thx for the post
i dont know how much
i dont know how much insurance will run for you being 16, im 28 and my insurance company gave me a quote of 21.63 per month. i would imagine yours would be higher. only thing you can do is call up your insurance company and ask for a quote.
-caboose
finally gettin my '08 ninja 250r
After much debate with my wife letting me buy a bike i finally convinced her into letting me get my 2008 ninja 250r. I put the downpayment on it last thursday and the dealership said they should be due in the middle of july. the ability to find one of these 08 ninja's has been a chore. i checked every dealership in a hundred mile radius with every one telling me the same thing. " We'll call you when they come in, they are selling faster than we are getting them" so to insure i get one i went and put a nice downpayment on one. Cant wait till it comes in especially after reading this 4 part review. Where i live in west virginia is full of twisty windy roads and cant wait to see how this thing handles not to mention the amount ill save on gas considering my 45 min. commute each way to and from work. Once again great review.
-caboose
I'll tell him.
Hey just wanted to say thanks for all the honest feedback. I came across the 250r yesterday and almost had a coniption. Perfectly priced and great for a novice such as myself. Just one thing. Your blatent misuse of the word "then" Every time you have used it, it should have been "than" ie WAY better "than" in post three. It makes you seem a little illiterate.
I'm a female, 5'5",
I'm a female, 5'5", approximately 125 lbs. We females have such limited options! Grrr... I'm deciding between the ninja 250 or the Buell Blast. I would mainly be using it for commuting approximately 15 miles on the freeway. I've read reviews about the bad vibrations on the Buell but I've also read some scary stories about the windblasts on a 250 going down the freeway. Any help? I need to decide ASAP because one of the dealerships here just got a 250 available because someone's financing fell thru. Help please!
I get blown around by wind
I get blown around by wind every once in a while. It's not that big of deal to me though. When you start getting pushed, lean against the push. In terms of total weight, I think there's only about a 70 lbs. difference between me and you. I'm 155 lbs and my bike's 367 lbs dry weight. You're 125 lbs and the 250's 335 lbs dry weight. Now me never being 125 lbs. might be coloring my judgement here... I still think you'd be fine on the 250, especially only with a 15 minute highway commute...
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Thanks!
Thanks!
I decided to go for the 2008
I decided to go for the 2008 ninja 250 and just put down my deposit!!! Thanks again!
Is there any other choice of a 250 sport bike in the US?
I am practically brand new to the motorcycling world but through the research I've done all answers point to the 08' ninja 250r for my first bike. My question is two part. Is the ninja 250r the best 250 to have (being in the states w/o much other choice)? I have seen Honda's CBR250RR and like it but came to the conclusion that it is impossible to find in the states and expensive, as well i know two other of the the big four have 250's but have also been unable to find them state side. The second part to the question is should I get the new 08' ninja 250r or get an older model? I would really like to hear the advice of some people with more experience in the motorcycle world. Thanks.
Riding position and height
I am a complete beginner and just finish the 2 days training and got my license this month. I really wanted to start with something forgiving and Ninja 250R is something I was initially looking for. I am 5 foot 11 and when I sit on a race version of the 250R which the local dealer has on show room, I feel kind of awkward where the foot peg is high and body got to lean forward a lot and feel like my foot in locked under the shifter (not enough space and feel cramped). I am not sure if this is because the particular bike is a race version but the dealer claim it is the same in riding position. I cannot find any new non-race 2008 in dealership to sit on to do a comparison to confirm. This somehow leave me a big question whether I should go put down my deposit on the 2009 model. I went to Suzuki and sit on couple bikes like the SV650 and GSF650 and the riding position and pegs/paddle location seems more natural to me. But I want to start with the smaller bikes and not rushing into bigger motors. Do you guys think this is just something I can get used to or I should really be looking for a bigger bike for comfort?
Answering to your question,
Answering to your question, you have to get used to this seat position as long as you are riding any R tagged motorcycles, R standing for racing and RR for race replica i think..lol..but referring to what i posted earlier in part 1 of this topic, it all depends on your choice of bike and in what way you want to ride it. R bikes have been made to make you have the feeling on racing and such bikes require more acuteness to control, from experience;weight shifting and lying on tank since these bikes are meant for performance and race feeling. Notice all R bikes have clipons whereas the rest have handlebars..sure these do make a difference since clipons can be adjusted forward and backward.(the + i had wen my 100cc was here was that it had clipons but body position was normal..i pushed up the forks so that wen sited, i had this racebike feel.) But lemme tell you than race bikes require 'tactics' sort of manoeuvring to ride whereas other bikes just have this normal handling..you know..On bandit like bikes you are more as ease and fell free whereas the race replica, precision is needed. Hey others can oppose to what I say but it all depends on one's choice and experience because I rode a cbr600rr and a cbr00f..there is a difference, not a major one but there is, like the pegs and hand position but the zx-7(not R) is something else.. Feel more at ease though seat height a few cm..well i am 5'10..maybe my pants were tight :S anyways finally it all depends on your choice and what you want because if someone says the ninja250 does not suit one, does not mean it will not suit you. Just like i am not much into RR bikes but it has pleased many others. And well it is a beginner bike..to learn..and learn..and enjoy...but invest much in gear...
Ride safe
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Well everyone hailing the ninja 250 but how or what about the honda cbx 250? Single cylinder and around 20hp, less than the ninja but roadster like..and and its cousin the yamaha ybr 250, same old school folks. I have riden the cbx250 and personally i like it: nice boost and handles quite well but the suspension and braking...5-6/10...but my favourite, the suzuki gsf 250 bandit with I-4 and logically doubles in hp compared to the block 250. Missile acceleration and rock braking, require some nerves to control it.Not to mention the honda 250 hornet, also with an in-line 4.
But personally, on the internet, possibilities of a beginner bike has been put to give beginners an idea, but it all depends on one's taste, that is, whether the person prefers racing style or hooligan style because I would rather choose the cbx250 or bandit 250 as first bike because all these fairings have not melted me enough but I prefer the hooligan style + the abominaldevil sound of the INLINE 4!!! Yeah! There are many factors contributing into someone choosing a first bike, like I mentioned; style, power, performance, milleage and also availability + etc. Its like choosing a spouse or well, first good galfwen ;p to have experience before committing to ZE ONE!!lol.
The more cylinders the more smoothness of engine but power given at high rpms. Fewer cylinders give more rugged force and midrpm but the 'feel' of vibration increases. Well anyways my first bike was as you can see on the photo but i will not give much details and well yeah just that it is full of aftermarket parts and was 100cc. Who's laughing at this? Somewhere somewhat everyone has to start riding a tricycle or one with four wheels(2big&2 side small) before moving to two..lol.. Did lots of crashes and breakups and lean effects and skiddind and burouts!!! Ouuh yeah 100cc does do burnouts, if ye know how to... ;D lol. I want to be a progressive rider, that is, 100cc, then 250 then 600+ but inbeetween the 250 and 600+...maybe... But well so um yeah do tell me people what are your opinions of the other 250's as well as the super 250's(bandit/hornet)
BoOZe
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be careful with dealers
be careful with dealers trying to push you to sign a 2009 deposit. they are trying to lesson the demand for the 2008 because they cannot keep up with it. i heard on the grapevine that the 2009 is just a different colour. so there's that to consider...
Nice review!
Very nice review, also a lot of usefull information there.
At the moment, I'm 17 years old, which means I still have to wait 1 year (exact, next april) to get my driving license here in Germany.
A lot of my friends consider buying themself a motorcycle, mostly a nakedbike somewhere around 600ccm, a Kawasaki Ninja ZX-10R or a Honda fireblade, or something around a BMW 1200.
As my dad own's a Honda CBF 1000, and I've ridden a few times with him, I think about getting myself a bike.
I really very much like the Ninja bikes from their style, but I think the 600ccm would be a bit big for me, also I couldn't use it to it's full extent.
Till I am 21 years old, I have to ride a bike that does not have more than 34 HP, so I think a Ninja 250R is the right choice.
Compared to a down-tuned ZX-6R, it weights a lot less, and is equally powered.
As I'm only 5"6' with barely 125 pounds, I think it's a safe decision.
There are just two lil problems:
A motorcycle is damn expensive here.
The Ninja 250R costs 4300€+ additional costs like transfer to you, which is about 6000$.
The second is, as I've read thus far, Germany will only receive about 150 bikes of this modell.
So, every Kawasaki dealer will get 1-2 of these, and they were released last month.
So, If I wait till next may to buy myself one, it can happen that I won't get one.
Well, I'll see ;-)
Good site, Good reviews!
Thanks!
MG
i understand you
i understand you buddy
BoOZe
Solomolo Rider ;D
BoOZe
Solomolo Rider ;D
6'4" and ~165 lbs... Will I
6'4" and ~165 lbs... Will I be able to sit comfortably? I've read through these boards and seen that people up to 6'3" have reported being able to ride, but dunno if it's a comfortable ride or stretching the limit a bit.
Currently I'm commuting about 140 miles (round trip) each day and spending way too much on gas. Should be moving soon, but wouldn't mind having something for fun on weekends after relocating anyway. I'll be visiting a dealer to check out the available bikes soon, but would like to know whether I should remain hopeful for a fit or look more into the other bikes.
Aprilia RS 125 VS 08 Ninja 250r
Hello, could anyone please tell me what would be a quicker bike in top end and accerlation, A fully de restricted Aprilia rs 125 or the 2008 Ninja 250 r. Please contact me on ragingamp@hotmail.co.uk.
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i got parent problems
ok i am planning to get a black 2008 ninja 250 for $3,300 i know its a deal i cant pass but my mom and dad dont want me to get it i am 17 yrs old got 4 more months till im 18 they are really scared that i will crash and.....you kno, they are really scared of someone hitting me, how i will crash, and they think im not old enough to ride a motorcycle. They said i can get it but they wont like my choice at all but they will respect my choice of getting a 250 so what i am still planing to do is getting the motorcycle i am going to be fully geared, i am taking the MSF course, but they think all of that wont do a single thing. so is there anything i can say to them to help them or me or anything, any comment will help thanks
Yeah. when you get your
Yeah. when you get your bike, don't crash. ;-)
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tell them your moving out to
tell them your moving out to start a family of your own with the local town slag. they'll son come around
I just passed my motorcycle
I just passed my motorcycle safety coures and am considering either the kawi 250r or a drz400sm , thoughts??
total price
This will be my first motorcycle and i've heard about a $600 shipping fee that is tacked on to the $4000 msrp. I just want to verify that it will cost me $4600 in the US. I'm in collage and don't have a job but if I need $4600 not $4000 then I need to start working again before next semester.
All the dealerships around
All the dealerships around here charge an Assembly fee, Shipping/Crating fee, plus of course registration + registration tax. So for me, with an MSRP of $3999 here as well, I shelled out about $5800 total last saturday when I went to buy my Ninja 250R, which includes the extra fees as well as insurance and some good gear. You really have to expect to be paying for more than just MSRP when buying a motorcycle.
to small?
Hey guys! first of all let me say, Great Review!! great site!! i'm looking into getting a my lisence in the spring and a bike. I mainly want it to keep the miles off the mustang, and the better gas mileage couldnt hurt. i'm 6'2" 250lbs. i'm a little worried that the bike is gonna be to small to drag my arse around. however i don't want to get something huge like a 600. and the 250 has such a nice pricetag. I basically would be riding it 25 miles one way to work, but possibly in the spring i might be riding about 100 miles one way to work on the highway. currently its mostly backroads and some highway with a little bit of traffic (say 9-10 miles) Do you guys think this bike would be a right fit for me, or should i try and maybe find a used 500 for about the same price? It just seems also like the 250 is a better ride then the current 500.
RPM's
Hey Gary - Your reviews of the screamer was awesome, so I got one ! I've been riding it for 2 weeks and I'm totally addicted. One question though - I've been staying below about 5000rpm , and I've done 300 miles. It takes unbelievable self-control not to push this bike into the higher rpms. In your reviews you were up to 8000-9000 rpm on the second day before 100 miles !Should I just forget the rpm limits they suggest and push this bike to where it wants to be ?
Riding 2 up
So i have been looking into getting a bike for quite some time now (noob of course) and found this 250R. My question is the following i weigh about 220lbs and have a gf who would obviously be riding with me (about 160lbs i think). My question is, how does this bike handle 2 up in terms of responsiveness, speed etc... I like the bike but don't want to shell out the cash and be a.bored with it quickly and b. find it can't handle the 2 up rides. Any help is greatly appreciated!
P.S. Would a 500 be better suited for me?
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You...
Might want to think about getting helmet mounted cameras so that you can video record rides and then read out your reviews over the top of them. or even review it wile riding.
I want one!
I've only ever ridden on the back on a motorcycle before, and am taking a course this spring to learn how to ride! and I want THIS one!!! GREAT reviews!
Ninja vs. Virago
I am finally about to take the plunge and purchase a motorcycle. After reading this site (great information and wonderful commentary) and others, I realize that with no experience, I need to start at the 250cc level and work up. I have narrowed down my choices to the Ninja and Virago. I have the opportunity to buy a 2008 Ninja 250R program bike in lime green (my choice of the four offered) for $3299. I have also spoken with another dealer about a 2007 Yamaha VIrago 250 with only 50 miles (bought for someone who decided she didn't want it); it is on consignment, and could possibly go for as low as $2900. I see my future self (with experience and seat time) on a cruiser, but I'm concerned about learning with the foot-forward controls and raked out front. Any suggestions, opinions or revalations that might push me in one direction or another? FYI, I am a 40 y.o male, 5'10" and 215 lbs. Thanks!
If cruisers are what you want
If cruisers are what you want to ride, then I would suggest starting out on one.. The smaller size of the Virago will help you in your learning curve. I started out on dirt bikes as a kid and when I started riding my first cruiser at 39yo it took me about 3 days to get used to the controls being in front of me rather than under me.. It's really not that big of a deal. The Virago is a great bike. I started out on an '02 V-Star 650 myself.. Mostly because at 6'1", I was a little cramped in the leg room on the 250's. Even on my 650 I've added forward control extensions to move the pegs another 3" forward and give myself some more leg room. As for the prices. $2900 for an 07 sounds a bit high.. Even though it's practically new.. But that means you're going to have to break the bike in as well.. You can get good used ones for around 1500 to 2500 usually if you look around..
Dagger
I just want to make it out of this life alive...
Not A Learner Anymore
I'm from the UK and I'm hoping to pass my test this month. Now I'm sure you all know about 33bhp restriction and so on, so I won't bother explaining.
I've been riding a CBR 125R fpr about 5 months (I've covered many thousands of miles) now and I feel very comfortable on a bike. However, once I pass, I don't want to get a 600cc+ bike restricted since I will be carrying around a lot of dead weight. I love the look of the Ninja 250R but...
Is it just a beginners bike, or will it blow my mind?
Is it really worth the price tag, since I can get a good quality, used CBR 600R for a similar price?
I want something sporty. How does the performance of the Ninja 250 compare to the Aprilia RS125/ Cagiva Mito (both are 33bhp, 125cc and similar price)?
A reply would be much appreciated. Cheers. :D
Question
Great review. Very Helpful.
Quick question though: how good is the 250 if you have a passenger in the back. I am a newbie with motorcycles, but rode scooters a lot. My main concern is changing gears:))
Are mantainance costs high on 250's??
Thank you guys for your work.
Re: Ninja vs. Virago
I have a 2006 Virago 250 and I must say it's a nice beginner motorcycle - definitely one of the better looking cruiser 250s out there. I've had no problems finding the controls (I actually think that having them forward make it that much easier), and I agree with Dagger that if you think you'll end up with a cruiser bigger bike, then it's probably better for you to stick with the Virago. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the Virago is at least 100 pounds lighter so it will probably be easier to maneuver in low speeds.
Aprilia rs 125 vs Ninja 250r vs ?????
hello, i am looking at getting a learner road bike but am unsure on what would be best,
at the moment i'm leaning towards the aprillia rs125 but i want to consider all other options such as the ninja 250r etc.
i'm 5'8 and weigh 70 kgs.
which would be faster, more fun , reliable, all the things you want to consider when buying a bike.
All information would be greatly appreciated but reasons for your bike of choice would be amazing.
please respond to JOHNNO_LUKE@HOTMAIL.COM
thanks everyone
HELP HERE ..I'M BACK AT THE DEALER TOMORROW!
2009 NINJA 250, OUT THE DOOR $4,700, >>>MON FEB 23/09 IT WAS LATE TO TAKE THE BIKE. I SIGNED FOR 5 YEAR WARRANTY $572 & GAP INSURANCE $499> GRAND TOTAL OF $5,820 FOR THE BIKE >>>I THIS REALLY NECESSARY? GUY'S PLEASE I NEED YOUR INFO. I'M BACK AT THE DEALER TOMORROW FEB 24/09. THANKS IN ADVANCE
Gap insurance is only if you
Gap insurance is only if you are financing the bike and can't afford to pay the difference if you total it right away, and you have to pay the lender the difference (because insurance won't give you your $4,700, they'll give you something like the KBB value). Keep your $499 and if you do total it, us it to help cover any difference.
Warranty is only to fix defects in the bike and won't cover damage or normal wear-and-tear. It's also notoriously hard to prove that it's a defect that's covered under the warranty. Paying >10% of the price of the bike is ridiculous for this. To put it in perspective, you can get a 7 year/75k mile warranty on a $25,000 car for the same price (I know).
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you don't need either of these things, so if you've paid them I suggest canceling them both and getting your money back. Read your contracts to find out how.
Looking to buy one
Hey! I go to ucsc, so i'm from the santa cruz area as well. I am complete newbie, i was hoping someone would help me find a good local dealer? also i believe used 2008 would be best for me, since people are saying bikes are dropped a lot by beginners.
thank you